Piss off out the countryside

[orangeandbananas]

Aibu to think the idiots who have all fled from towns to the countryside are incredibly selfish.
I live in a small rural estate.
There are quite obviously people from towns and cities coming together on gatherings suddenly 'embracing' the countryside.
Ok fine; but they apparently can't stick to the public footpaths where they can all infect each other. Instead they keep coming off the footpath and walking the mile to our estate from it and hanging about.
The average age on our estate is 70+. I don't know anyone else that is under 70 and many are 90+ I haven't seen anyone leave their houses for a long time but today I saw a very elderly frail man take a walk on the estate and he was leaning on a bench when a load of teenagers came right up to the boundary of the road to our estate and I saw the man try to get away but he couldn't fast enough and nearly fell over from trying.

We live in isolation anyway generally. This is the first time we've had to deal with so many people coming through our field off the public footpath.
I wish they'd stay away. I also wish less risk people would understand what social distancing means. If they're venturing into our estate I've no doubt they're off gallivanting on to further farms etc. Which can only heighten the problems we face today. These dc are not from the rural area. I've never seen so many cars parked near the footpath. It's so daft it's upsetting.

Boris has warned we will have to go to lockdown. Is this really what people want?
Get out of the countryside if you don't live here. It's obvious so many elderly people live here. Come back in better times.

It's futile, indeed, counterproductive to turn this into an argument about unwelcoming attitudes to incomers.

This is not the time to make a point about civil liberties, parochialism, Brexit or any other issue that people are trying to use to justify their actions. There will be time to address those issues if and when we have weathered the Coronavirus storm.

The one and only thing we all need to do is avoid unnecessary travel. Yes, that means everyone - including the "I'm sure it will be fine if I ..." brigade.

It seems that people think they are immune from this disease.

@AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff, you should put yourself on YouTube reciting this stuff. You could be Glasgie's answer to Pam Ayres, but without the tweeness.

And maybe add some swearing, to make it really authentic.

Next time city and town dwellers are in their city/town supermarket.
Is it OK for them to tell shoppers from the countryside to piss off?

It may surprise some people but rural areas have shops as well we dont all travel into cities to do our shopping. The last time I was in a large city was christmas. We have a tesco and everything.

Is it OK for them to tell shoppers from the countryside to piss off?

What is it about 'necessary' that people are struggling to understand.

I say this as a town dweller -

Going into town to buy food - necessary
Going into town stockpile - not necessary
Going out for exercise on foot in your local area - necessary
Driving to nearby beauty-spots to exercise - not necessary

You have no idea of how sweary it could get...

I have, however, a face for radio. Youtube isnae fer me! Pam Ayres is safe.

Auntie Gok I NEED you when this is all over. I need to look human once we return to normal. Don’t be worrying about naked or indeed good. Just enough to go outside without frightening the horses.

It's not just about the countryside it's about the infrastructure not being able to cope when these picnic goers go home.
Nearest a&e 45 mins away. Not big either and will not cope with even our estate alone all getting seriously ill.

People aren't thinking. They're just saying oh I know I will go to the countryside but there are further consequences to this now. And also stop venturing onto non public areas. I've just seen the farmer next door have to come out to drive some people away on their field as well. The horses aren't happy with the influx of people and their dogs either. At least stay on public areas only.

Come back by all means in better time's. I hope no one gets this virus but I can't express how terrifying it is when you are in the vulnerable category and people are imposing themselves on you,

YANBU just been to my usual quiet woodland walk - full of combined families with kids, extended families, lovebirds etc. We need a complete lockdown with drones and army NOW!

I think you came across as being entitled ,but you are genuinely concerned for the welfare of your elderly Neighbours . Sadly people will not "just stay at home"unless we are in Lockdown . ATM people are being encouraged to go out and about, in the fresh air at a safe distance from others .Most people adhere to that but sadly not everyone it appears!

Ginny I'm sure Flaxmeadow meant when country dwellers comevsd tourists it commuting to work in cities when she referred to them using supermarkets.

Everything I've heard about Italy is that the majority who left towns and cities for the countryside were returning to their families. I'd say a fair proportion of those who've been leaving our cities in recent weeks are the same.

• Next time city and town dwellers are in their city/town supermarket. Is it OK for them to tell shoppers from the countryside to piss off?*

If it's before this crisis has ended (and it's not a key worker doing essential shopping) then sure. Most of the reasons for going into them, other than work, are shut anyway.

Going into town to buy food - necessary
Going into town stockpile - not necessary
Going out for exercise on foot in your local area - necessary
Driving to nearby beauty-spots to exercise - not necessary

My point is that some of those stockpiling will be from the countryside. I imagine many of them will be using urban supermarkets they have not used before. Meaning some people in urban areas might go short

But
The open countryside belongs to everyone
The supermarkets belong to everyone

No one needs to be telling anyone to "piss off". Its unhelpful

My father and my in laws are both spouting their civil liberties are being eroded. They both received letters to self isolate for 14 weeks at risk. They both ignore it like arse holes.

I hope they send one of those to my DSS. He's type 1 diabetic, still going to work (despite being told by his employer that he can have time off on full pay because he's at risk), still going out socialising "Because you can't stop seeing people" and has a lodger who works as a paramedic, and therefore comes into contact with people who are ill on a pretty regular basis. They live in Brighton, which has had 14 cases, so far.

His mother has suggested he go and stay with her, just a couple of miles away. She's also especially vulnerable (cancer survivor who had a 3rd of a lung removed a few years ago). He's refused.

His ex is self-isolating now that their little girl's school is shut and she's not letting him see their child because he's being so bloody reckless.

When people are running it makes it much harder to pull over or move- for both parties, as well as the fact a lot of joggers are actively doing very spitty breathing

I run in quite a socially distancing way anyway, eg if I see someone coming towards me, I cross the road unless there's a car coming at the wrong time and always have because I don't like having to squeeze past people on a narrow path. I do not spit and I don't do spitty breathing. I also turned my face away from people I was passing this morning - whether running or walking, they appeared to be doing the same, said hi from a distance and then faced the other way. My only problem was a dog whose owner actively encouraged to go on my side of the path, I ended up halfway up a bank - he did apologise.

KEEP DOGS ON SHORT LEADS

• The open countryside belongs to everyone The supermarkets belong to everyone *

And the virus 'belongs' to everyone. Unnecessarily mixing people from different areas - some of which might otherwise have stayed clear for longer - is going to cost lives. What do you not understand about this?

Curious to know whether many tourists are visiting Eyam today.

Well I can only apply for coming across as entitled but I feel I am entitled to tell people to think twice before leaving their own towns in times like these.
As well as again stay off of private land. Most people I know in the country stockpile anyway.
We stockpiled for the snow well before all of this. We have enough. We have a farm next door and farm shop 6 miles away. We are not panic buying that's for sure

Apologise not apply

@ErrolTheDragon I've been thinking a lot about Eyam, too.
The little Derbyshire village where the occupants isolated themselves to avoid spreading nasty disease on to others. Sadly they all died, but the disease stopped there.

Well if all the people walking past my house doing the coast to coast with their backpacks is anything to go by. Bloody idiots.
It's 50 miles to the nearest hospital.
The amount of motorhomes I have seen this weekend is unreal.
I went shopping at 8am yesterday and there were six motorhomes parked up. Their occupants were filling up their trolleys with everything in sight.
Even though I agree with closing schools,this has made matters worse by people coming out of the cities and going to their second homes,caravans etc.. bringing the virus with them.
I hope our MP Mr Sunak will do something.

The countryside does not “belong to everyone”. Land is owned by individuals (occasionally consortiums).
Public rights of way are just that-the right to use a path (not the land that surrounds it).
However, essentially travel only. If you need to get in a car to go there, then you shouldn’t be going, unless it’s essential.

Thanks @Saz12 you put it more eloquently than I'm capable of

Unnecessarily mixing people from different areas...is going to cost lives
Yes true. Just as it was true weeks and weeks ago when everyone was travelling through city airports and commuting into cities daily. I've wanted a lockdown for weeks and continue to oppose travel except for essential workers and emergencies. It just seems strange how none of these posters imploring people not to travel were calling for it weeks ago. Only now when they think the virus might reach their privileged rural bubble are they concerned. If cities can't cope, if their hospitals are at capacity, if their infrastructure can't cope for whatever reason, not just Covid, that doesn't matter. Only when these problems might come closer to home do they suddenly care. A pp talked about no healthcare outside "the holy city of London". Dripping with ignorant resentment. Why doesn't she live in London if she thinks it's so wonderful. I know of many people outside London who have received excellent, frequently better, healthcare elsewhere. Depends where you are. Really of course everywhere should have well resourced hospitals. The sad reality is almost nowhere does. In London too. Some parts are good, others are dreadful. It's a very large and varied city.

I'm on the same page about no unnecessary travel. It's the way they're expressing it that's nasty, insular, and full of ignorant resentment.

Sadly they all died, but the disease stopped there.

They didn't all die but a lot did.
Hundreds, rather than the thousands or maybe more if the disease had spread throughout the north.

It just seems strange how none of these posters imploring people not to travel were calling for it weeks ago.

Well, you're wrong about that. I've been telling people they can certainly 'afford' to lose their holiday for weeks. (We cancelled our holiday booked for May at the start of February)