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Worried About Corona Virus- thread 32

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BretonKitten · 22/03/2020 12:36

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Angryrant55 · 22/03/2020 20:27

I imagine they will eventually vaccine everyone but those who not had it will come first.

WwfLeopard · 22/03/2020 20:35

Really? Why would they vaccinate ppl who are immune?

Angryrant55 · 22/03/2020 20:37

Vaccine antibodies are often stronger than what a body produces.

woodencoffeetable · 22/03/2020 20:37

Why would they vaccinate ppl who are immune?
might be cheaper/easier to vaccinate than to test.

CharlieTangoBanana · 22/03/2020 20:38

Has anyone else seen the following doing the rounds on fb?

"This is a post from a Doctor in a ICU unit and I found it really interesting and makes sense. I this is why frontline workers in China got very ill before they knew how bad the virus was.

Why do we need to shut places where people group?

Remember this: VIRAL LOAD

There will be a lot about this. Why is it important?

With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer. This isn’t unusual - HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19.

So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus. In a crowded space. They become ill over the next 48 hours. You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital. You’d decided because you were young and healthy it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong.

Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.

This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load.

This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK. We are a week at most behind London.

Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.

If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it.

No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough.

If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or someone of my specialty) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.

THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT:

If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there. Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate.

A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important.

If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space.

Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.

REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOAD

It could save your life or your child’s.

Coventry and Warwickshire - it’s up to you now. We are preparing for the worst but we are hoping for the best from you. Please help us to help you. Stay home and take this seriously now before we need the army on the streets to remind you. Yes I’m serious."

#flattenthecurve

Angryrant55 · 22/03/2020 20:39

twitter.com/McDonaldsUK/status/1241824519280566274

Food shortages to probably get worse now.

OldQueen1969 · 22/03/2020 20:43

@CharlieTangoBanana

That is very interesting, thank you.

Parker231 · 22/03/2020 20:43

There are no food shortages - just idiots being greedy.

TheCanterburyWhales · 22/03/2020 20:43

@mrshoho ah thanks. No, not as far as I know.

WwfLeopard · 22/03/2020 20:43

I see, sort of. I was just musing, comparing it to the titer test the vet does for my ddog. But they were vaccinated in the first place, rather than building their own immunity

Angryrant55 · 22/03/2020 20:51

Even shops with two items limits are suffering empty shelves through.

More in the cheaper chains - the co - op less affected and independent shops seem to be less affected - through they might be if many people are only allowed to use them and not travel to bigger shops - i cant imagine how a village shop that serves 1.5k people will cope when normally it only sells 8 toilet rolls a day.

ClientQueen · 22/03/2020 20:54

Just seen McDonald's has closed all their restaurants

BeyondMymymymyCorona · 22/03/2020 20:54

Well if McDonald's are closing, there will be however many tonnes of beef, chicken and potatoes they aren't using each day - which can surely be redistributed into the general market?

BeyondMymymymyCorona · 22/03/2020 20:54

(and a fair few toilet rolls not being used in their stores either)

Angryrant55 · 22/03/2020 20:55

I think they keeping their stock to help deliver to at risk people.

BeyondMymymymyCorona · 22/03/2020 20:56

Ooo nice!!

abitoflight · 22/03/2020 20:57

McD's twitter said working with community groups to share out food

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abitoflight · 22/03/2020 21:01

Absolutely chilling

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niffynoonoo · 22/03/2020 21:08

Up until about this time last week I was watching with concern. Now Im shitting myself. DH is a teacher in a big school, I worry he will bring it home to us. Its making me have such a deep respect for those in WW2 and in other war zones. But I act and walk about (well the house) like itll be fine!

Angryrant55 · 22/03/2020 21:09

Horrifying.

I wonder if multiple strains cause it - a family might be shredding a lot but all with the same strain but doctors might be getting multiple strains.

Number12 · 22/03/2020 21:09

@LifeInAHamsterWheel Shock there are no words!

juneybean · 22/03/2020 21:10

Italian prime minister quote is fake.

willdoitinaminute · 22/03/2020 21:11

An A & E Doctor ( long term friend) has just posted on my fb feed and let slip that we are lockdown so expect announcement tomorrow. She has posted a personal message to friends and family. Basically saying it’s going to get much worse before it gets better but this is the normal trajectory of an epidemic and that she implores us to stick to the plan however desperate it may get because it is the only way we can combat this. It is the first time she has posted about the virus and I suspect all doctors have been effectively gagged because the scientists know how bad this was going to get.
Not their fault or the governments but entirely down to Mother Nature. This is truly a perfect storm and blaming anyone is pointless. We have been expecting a virus like this for the last 2 decades. It’s here. We really do have to take the advice seriously. It does apply to you. It will effect you or someone you know so please please please stay inside and avoid unnecessary contact.

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