People still out and about at hairdressers etc

[madroid]

Today I have seen a neighbour returning from the shops with about 5 clothes bags. A hairdressers over the road with loads of people in having their hair and nails done. And the pub up the road was still open with about 50 punters in tonight.

AIBU to wonder why they think they are immune to catching the virus with a 20% chance of ending up in hospital?

Meanwhile my dd is a doctor who is putting her life on the line to treat these selfish idiots when they inevitably get ill.

Just leaving this here about the immunity issue. It's what other experts are saying too. Just for the sake of anyone really panicking

I can't bear seeing people out and about in groups. I think sights like that will lessen as we go into this though. I hope so anyway.

I had an appt with my hairdresser for next wednesday. I'm cancelling.

I'm at risk with asthma and an auto immune disease. My employer locked down last night so now I'm isolating myself as much as possible (Dh has to work as a key worker) so even that may well turn out to be pointless. Fingers crossed not.
My grey hair can wait, as shit as it gets, no one will see me for a while ha :) It's just not worth the risk.
Dh has just told me that Matalan near us is open - how the hell can it be? it's not essential.

Nail lady, you are a moron.

@PositiveVibes
I understand mental health is important. But the poster I saw on mn earlier was saying not seeing gps would damage her dcs mental health. They could phone/skype/Facetime etc. It doesn't have to be a total cut off.

But my dd is expected to work 13+ days and risk her life to treat these people who are going to cafes because they can't live without a takeaway coffee or afternoon tea for a few months.

If NHS personnel walk out and decide it's pointless when no one else is taking it seriously to stop the spread, I would totally understand.

Today the hairdressers is still open. As was the new kitchen place. And I saw a man spit on his hands, rub them together and then use the cashpoint. It looked like a deliberate act of sabotage.

@HelenaDove

Disabled people would obviously be exempt. Do you really need to have everything spelled out?

People are being so so stupid.

Retail shops were open, furniture shops, Currys, garden centres, so maybe they are waiting for forced closure???

@ememem84 ah. I didn't know. Thanks!

But the poster I saw on mn earlier was saying not seeing gps would damage her dcs mental health.
Well funerals will surely be much better for them😳

Some got fined 300 quid for not wearing mask outside where my family lives.
In UK people are debating nail and hair appointments

Whoever said about 2-3 weeks to Italy. My guess is it will be faster. And bigger.

For those who it still didn't hit that this is not just "meh" here you go. This puts it in bit of a perspective with numbers. It is updating throughout a day. And look at Italy today... And the percentage of deaths in closed cases rises a point a day and half...
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There is no obvious about it when it comes to attitudes towards disabled people.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3856362-Will-disabled-people-be-paying-the-price-for-the-COVID-19-effort

As an update to my position yesterday. We went for afternoon tea. The hotel is closing next week. Until this time next year at the earliest.

They won’t get bookings now. So that’s summer season gone.

Staff laid off. No help from our government at all. Aside from short term incapacity benefit if you’re in isolation for 14 days. So £400 in total.

This will absolutely nuke our economy.

I have seen today that one of our breweries has closed its pubs as of today. The rest will more than likely continue until they’re forced to close.

My nail lady called me to say she’s cancelling my appointment next week as she’s closing down. She can’t afford rent and staff wages indefinetly with no money coming in.

People are still going out because they have been asked to support local businesses. By our government. Who aren’t. Until it’s too late.

@ememem84 so glad you enjoyed your lovely afternoon tea. Let’s hope you haven’t caught or spread the virus around to your companions and all the staff at the hotel who will then go on to spread it round their families and so on.

So sorry to hear about your nail appointment for next week that you bizarrely were still planning to go to maybe you can spend that time actually reading up on the pandemic we are facing.

If you would like to support any local businesses maybe you could buy a voucher from them to use when this is all over - or is it you like the excuse of ‘supporting local business’ as a reason why the rules of social distancing don’t apply to you...

Glad to see you have your priorities straight anyway! Definitely more important to support local businesses then to support local people who are likely to die from the virus.

at what point did I say I was still planning to go to my nail appointment? I’d actually forgotten about it until my lady called me.

I think you’re confusing me with someone who lives mainland uk. As I’ve said before we have different “advice” here.

However. Businesses are closing. Not temporarily. For good. Unlike where you are there’s no help for small businesses. Hence why we are being encouraged by our government to still go out and use them.

According to stats here 40% of the population of the island is self employed. There is no help for them. If they can’t work they can’t get paid. No help from the govt. no mortgage or rent holidays for us here.

People are saying that this is temporary. It’s a 2 week thing. It isn’t. The chaos started in China in November. 5 months ago. And it’s only just starting to die down.

Our government is not testing anyone for the virus unless they’ve come in directly from an infected area and show symptoms. The rules are to self isolate if you’ve come directly from an affected area. There is a published list.

It is impossible to come into the island direct from most places on the list (China Vietnam Italy Philippines). You have to come via the U.K. (usually flights via gatwick). So yes. People are still moving around.

Retail shops were open, furniture shops, Currys, garden centres, so maybe they are waiting for forced closure??? Yes of course without forced closure their insurance won't cover the closed.
The government know exactly what they're doing by not enforcing closure, risking lives to keep the economy up.

@emeraldshamrock absolutely. Insurance won’t pay out unless it’s a forced closure.

So businesses will stay open for the foreseeable.

It’s the same with travel insurance. Unless flights are cancelled and borders locked down insurers won’t pay.

I said above we have a trip to Mexico booked in May. I haven’t cancelled yet as I’m waiting for it to be cancelled. Mexico say they won’t close to tourism. So if this doesn’t happen and if ba continue to fly we lose money by not going as our insurance won’t cover it.

We won’t be going because there’s the danger we won’t get back because of how rapidly situations will change. But can I afford to lose £5k? Not really.

It's absolute madness. Too little too late.

We had time 4 weeks ago to do something. All the nonsense about washing your hands, keep sending the kids to school, keep schlepping into work on over crowded trains but just make sure you wash your hands..... Now we can't be within 2 metres of anyone because it is air borne.

Don't get me started on the fucking idiots that got on planes and have gone on holiday because they had already paid for it and are now moaning that they can't get home etc and expect the government to bail them out.

They need vehicles driving round towns with announcements on vehicles telling people to go home.

“Don't get me started on the fucking idiots that got on planes and have gone on holiday because they had already paid for it and are now moaning that they can't get home etc and expect the government to bail them out.”

Exactly this. If you can’t afford to “loose” money by not going, should you have spent it in the first place?

People are effectively making the deliberate decision to risk killing others. I just don’t understand their mentality.

@ememem84 does your different island have a different virus too or does it have the same one as the rest of the world? The one that spreads through person to person contact and kills people and collapses health systems? The one that the only way to stop the spread is to social distance??

If so then STAY AT HOME regardless of your government advice. It’s not your job to prop up and support local businesses it’s your job to minimise the spread of this virus.

Why is this so hard for you to understand????

My government closed the pubs schools a week ago. For the week BEFORE that I stayed away from public places as did many of my friends and family and work colleagues as we knew from China Italy etc that it spreads through social contact. Are you so stupid you think you’re not spreading it until the government advise you to stop going out?? Cop on.

And I don’t know why you’re harping on about your holiday - we’re in the middle of a global pandemic for Christ sake.

People are still going out because they have been asked to support local businesses.

Do you and these other people know you/they can support local businesses without even leaving their homes? You can just send them the money you would otherwise spend in their shop/cafe etc. Yeah it means you don’t get your tiny watercress & bread triangle and thimble of Prosecco but I’m sure you’ll cope.

@Badskinday I’m fully aware that we’re in a global pandemic. I’m fully aware that the virus is killing people.

I’ve explain to you why people are continuing on as normal where I am. This does not apply to you.

I’m not harping on about my holiday. I’ve already said twice were not going. Yes it’s sad because we saved hard for it and it’s for a close friends wedding. But life goes on. We may or may not get our money back. But it is what it is.

What you seem to be failing to understand is that life goes on. People (like me) have to continue working. People need supplies. People cannot stay indoors locked away indefinetly. People will suffer if they do this.

This isn’t a short term thing. We’re talking 4 months at a minimum before things even start to look remotely normal. Look at China.

And in that time our economies will be fucked. Businesses and jobs will go. There will be sociaL unrest. Yours mine and the U.K. government aren’t an authoritarian state and will struggle to cope with it.

I’d hope that if you’re attacking me this way you’re also soapboxing to those who live near you. Are you shouting out of your windows at people walking on the streets?

I am in no way an idiot. I am just very very much aware that a lockdown is coming. And whilst I can I’m going out. I’m doing things.

I’m sad for my friends who are self employed who are more than likely going to go bust because our government won’t do anything to help them. Dh and I more than likely might lose our house if I have to stop work due to childcare issues. We are being told at present to continue to pay nursery fees even though the kids aren’t there. If we don’t we lose the places and then I can’t work.

My dad has copd. So I’m not seeing him or my mum for the foreseeable future. It could be months.

I was meant to be seeing my grandma next week. To introduce her to Dd. But we can’t leave the island. So I can’t. She’s 92. I may never see her again.

So don’t you dare tell me that I don’t understand the severity of all this nonsense.

So yes. If I’m taking a little bit of joy at the moment by “selfishly” caring for my pony or by stating a fact that we aren’t going on a holiday I’m obviously a moron.

Are we all not allowed to think or feel during this time. Just stay indoors. And be grateful that we have enough toilet paper?

A bit of kindness would go a long way. I don’t regret going out yesterday. Incidentally we sat outside. In the sun. Coats on but it was beautiful. A much needed bit of calm in a very fucked up stressful Confusing world right now.

Local golf club was absolutely packed today. Nobody on the actual course but using the premises to drink. Never seen the place so full. Almost all in the high risk age group too. Unless there is a lockdown they will continue to flaunt the distancing advice, arrogantly assuming nothing will happen to them

People should be pretty much self isolating, whatever their situation. It beggars belief that people don’t get that.

What you don’t seem to grasp is the longer you keep going about as normal the longer this will last!!!!! The longer you keep going out the more people will be infected.

And no life does not go on. Life is not going on for me who was due to start IVF to have a child. That is cancelled now for the foreseeable and that is devastating for me but I understand it’s to save lives. I can accept I can’t do IVF but you can’t accept that you shouldn’t have gone for afternoon tea!!!!!

Your government advice might not apply to me but social distancing advice definitely applies to you and you won’t follow it.

And no I’m not soap boxing out my window as there is no one out there. I live in Ireland in an estate with 10 houses. All my neighbours have been 2-5 kids and I have seen NONE of those children since schools closed. All cars are in driveway and all gates are shut. There are a few people cycling on their own or going for a run on their own. That’s it. Because most people actually care about trying to stop this spread.

I don’t get how you can’t understand that your actions are contributing to the need for a lockdown and the need for this to go on even longer.

I’m sorry you can’t now have ivf.

If I was to say from today we’re not going anywhere or doing anything that still wouldn’t be enough would it? I should have stopped and stayed indoors weeks ago. Until the end of days.

I have to work. I have to go into the office.

Life does go on. Things don’t just stop.

My sister is a teacher. She has to go to work still because people are claiming they can’t look after their kids. Social distancing applies everywhere but in our schools it seems. Maybe why people aren’t taking it seriously because the powers that be aren’t.

If I was to say from today we’re not going anywhere or doing anything that still wouldn’t be enough would it?

Umm yes- that would be exactly enough. It’s exactly what is being asked of you, perhaps not by your neglectful government but by your community. You do have a brain of your own, yes? You are capable of independent thought? Making a decision for yourself? Having a sense of community responsibility? Or are you a sheep who will only do what you’re directly told by the government and nothing else?

I have to work. I have to go into the office.

You don’t have to go for afternoon tea though, right? You just fancied it.

Life does go on. Things don’t just stop.

But life isn’t going on in the same way, and lots of things ARE stopping and have stopped. What are you not understanding here? We have to live our lives differently now and for as long as is needed. Are you really saying you can’t cope with 4 or 6 months of a few restrictions? Really? Why? Would you like that time to be longer? If so then carry on as you are spreading the virus.

She has to go to work still because people are claiming they can’t look after their kids. Social distancing applies everywhere but in our schools it seems.

And hospitals and police stations and supermarkets and everywhere else that is providing an essential service. Schools are only open for emergency childcare for key workers who have no other option. Again, what are you not understanding here? Essentials services have to carry on- afternoon tea isn’t an essential service so you don’t do it. It’s very simple.