Worried about Cornovirus 30

[Angryrant55]

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Just been told by someone who works in school that childcare is only available to children when both parents are classed as key workers. She works part time and husband not a key worker so childcare is not available for her child even though she is expected to work.

One of my biggest worries is that legislation. This crisis is exactly the way totalitarianism takes over. Why did it go without a vote, and for 2 years, why not a rolling six months?
It is a power grab regardless of if some of the measures will help.

Where I live, not only are pubs, bars, etc still busy but we seem to have an active Facebook campaign to keep them that way.

Peter Foster - 'Now we get to the tougher stuff.

• discussions ongoing about WHAT constitutes non-urgent/elective care. There will be a gradual fading out, depending on need. But, per source, may mean stopping "two week cancer" referrals - the ones GPs do for people needing urgent tests /3'

Peter Foster - 'Now on building more capacity.
Some NHS Trusts - per two separate sources, one London, one Provincial - with multiple sites are reorganising 'acute' sites in order to boost capacity.
Taking ventitators from surgical theatres etc could 'double' capacity, per doc /4'

childcare is only available to children when both parents are classed as key workers
Totally right. If one parent is not a key worker then they can look after their children like all the other non key workers.

For the first time since this all started I have been frightened. Before I was resilient and just got on with stuff. Today as I left work to work from home for the foreseeable future and knowing it's the last day of childcare tomorrow for my toddler I think it all hit me. I don't know about pay long term, I don't know if childcare can survive the closure and I don't know how everyone's mental health will be 3 months down the line.

I can't worry about catching the virus and serious complications as it's all too much to think about.

I’m shocked by the schools who want all staff in on Monday. I find that pretty shocking. We’d already started our shutdown before the announcement yesterday but the Head has made it very clear that we are not to turn up to work next week. We’re a secondary, so I imagine the number of key worker kids will be tiny and we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. If you close schools and then dozens of teachers congregate in the building every day it totally defeats the purpose.

The commons is not able to vote in a socially distanced way.

I do agree that most legal changes will remain afterwards.

Working on the official line of 4% cases need hospital admission, and only hospital admissions tested, 603 positive cases today, is 15,075 new cases extrapolated out. In 24 hours.

Please someone tell me I'm wrong!

stop trains into London

So possibly trains OUT of London will be stopped? Letting more possibly infected people come to the capital? Putting increased pressure on London hospitals when it's already so badly hit. There needs to be a proper UK wide lockdown asap. Instead Johnson wants to leave things to spiral further and further out of control. Blaming people for ignoring advice? What about the innocent victims of this - those who do follow advice but get infected by someone whilst going on an essential food shop or because they live with others? What about the additional pressure this puts on NHS staff? Those ignoring advice are stupid or selfish or both - but to be fair to them they probably think it's not that serious or else it would be mandatory.

@mrshoho agree. We need the media (and what comprises our Opposition at present) to challenge the government on this.

Sky News understands the Government has asked mobile network O2 to hand over anonymous mobile phone location data in order to ensure people are following social distancing guidelines during the COVID-19 outbreak

This is being done in Italy. Unfortunately it transpired that 40% of Milanese were not complying with the order to stay indoors. Where my family live a kind of "stasi" system has sprung up with people posting on the town Facebook about who they've spotted meeting other people or visiting friends and family.

Thelittlefox- the "behind Italy" estimate could be 2 weeks, as the useful table from pp shows, or 3-5 depending on how social distancing in UK and lockdown in Italy pan out.
Italy has yet to reach peak contagion (expected around first week of April) logically peak contagion should come approx 3 weeks after a lockdown taking into account variables like infected people not knowing and still food shopping infecting others etc.
Whatever, the UK is in for a helluva storm.

I apologise in advance if this sounds mawkish. I don't know if I'm missing something but only once have I heard on news a few sentences being read out from a London a and e doctor about how bad situation is
No reporting of exhausted, overwhelmed NHS staff, no pics of ambulances queuing outside London hospitals, no shots of casualty departments or reports from people who can't get treated because of crisis.
I think that this would bring it home to people. I think the coverage seems a bit sanitised?

Most people will leave London not enter.

it's all very well saying both parents need to be keyworkers, but what are they? I work for a care organisation - i'm not a carer, but we are anticipating huge staff shortages over the coming months, and everyone will be expected to support not work from home, but if they only say frontline carers are keyworkers where does that leave us? Many companies still aren't allowing home-working, so my husband is also expected to work away from home.

Just been told by someone who works in school that childcare is only available to children when both parents are classed as key workers. She works part time and husband not a key worker so childcare is not available for her child even though she is expected to work.

There is no official national policy yet.

My sons school are letting parents define key worker until the government clarifies. There is nothing about both parents having to be key workers.

One parent who works as a teacher in neighbouring local authority seems to have a different line suggesting the two parents things.

I think the reality is no one has a clue because the government haven't set the policy yet.

Whether they manage to do before the end of tomorrow or even by the end of the weekend is debatable.

My sil in another authority has just had an email saying the school will update them as soon as they know what's happening. Which is useless for them.

Peter Foster - 'I understand, for example, that one large London teaching hospital temporarily ran out of masks at the weekend. There is still some time, perhaps, to fix these supply issues, but looking at London numbers, not much time.'

@abitoflight I agree, I think the media are doing a terrible job of holding the govt. to account & imo it just adds to the fact that this whole thing stinks. Something is not right.

Our school have said both parents need to be key workers, or a key worker single parent.

Otherwise the non key worker parent is expected to look after the kids.

TheCanturburyWhales - Thanks. That's what's so frustrating though, that we are waiting and waiting to get to that starting line for three weeks to peak like Italy. Meanwhile the curve sweeps skyward. They clearly left it too late, why haven't we learnt from that?

Weeks ago, this thread was really helping with my anxiety, now I'm really scared, because the powers that be have all the info I have (and, you would hope, a fair amount more), and have done almost nothing. Too little, way too late.

@Angryrant55 unfortunately I know of several people (all young and healthy) who live in London but have gone to or plan to visit friends and family elsewhere. They don't care if they put elderly and other vulnerable Londoners at risk. Nor does Johnson going by his (lack of) actions.

@abitoflight I can only assume the media have been asked to play things down - and for some reason are complying. It's incredibly irresponsible. Risking lives.

@MrsFitzwilliam thanks I just needed a moan I have some food here in the cupboards and freezer I will be able to make basic meals. My sister has offered to go and see what she can pick up for me before she goes to work tomorrow. I'm working 8-6 tomorrow so not much chance for me to go. Really hoping people start calming down soon and stop panic buying. I've seen posts and videos on social media where people have filled every available space in the their homes with stuff and it's shocking. I suppose I need to count my blessings that we are all ok, have a warm house and that I have a reoccurring delivery slot still.

Abit, two weeks ago. Just two weeks...the Italian minister for health in the daily bulletin confirmed the health service in Italy was coping, there was no critical situation anywhere, and every one needing a bed in ICU no matter their age was being treated.

There's that two week difference again...