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Worried about Cornovirus 30

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Angryrant55 · 18/03/2020 18:16

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Yamayo · 19/03/2020 17:56

Yes, you can tell he is getting quite irritated by all the questions.
A few days ago an Express journalist asked him point blank about the 'last gasp effort' comment he made when discussing ventilation machines.
He answered the first part of her question but pointedly ignored that part.

Shocking that we are probably the only country in the world where we have been promised daily press conferences- they're late every time and we don't get the figures we need.

They are even less transparent than America.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2020 17:58

What on earth are we doing?

Destinysdaughter · 19/03/2020 17:58

Am shocked at how vague that was. I was really expecting them to announce an imminent London lockdown. It's more like Keep Calm and Carry on...dying. So angry at the lack of clarity. Haven't we learnt anything from other countries??

Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 17:59

Rachel Wearmouth - 'That was a totally confusing press conference. No clarity on what "turn the tide" in 12 weeks actually means. It left you with the overarching feeling that this ain't that serious.
Death toll in Italy has just overtaken that of China.'

Patrick Wintour - 'Pretty message free press conference by PM. "We can turn the tide in 12 weeks."
Subsequent question to PM: "How do you define turning the tide in 12 weeks?"
PM answer "By getting on top of it". Much awaits the Chancellor's package tomorrow to keep workers in jobs.'

Matthew Goodwin - ' "Turning the tide" in "twelve weeks" means that it is largely inevitable that the UK government response to #coronavirus will be evaluated by whether the numbers are falling by June 11 .. '

We be getting 1 k deaths a day by easter at the latest.

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redstararnie76 · 19/03/2020 17:59

Only just got back from work - has he actually defined specifically who is a 'key worker' yet?

Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 17:59

A few other countires are doing daily things.

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Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 18:00

And Boris approvial ratings will probally continue to rise.

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SistemaAddict · 19/03/2020 18:03

Social distancing isn't going to work if people aren't doing it. Oooh little Johnny would love a play date because school's now closed. They just don't get it. Although this is the sane person who told me last week that omg people just need to calm down Hmm parents will be offering each other childcare to cover meetings and shifts and whatever. We need hard rules.

defthand · 19/03/2020 18:03

As of 9am on 19 March 2020, 64,581 people have been tested in the UK, of which 61,352 were confirmed negative and 3,229 were confirmed positive. 144 patients in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have died.

www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 18:04

144?
It was 128 deaths earlier. With 6 in scotland 2 in wales and one in ni.

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Youngatheart00 · 19/03/2020 18:05

+>500 in a day?

Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 18:05

Sky News Breaking - 'Sky News understands the Government has asked mobile network O2 to hand over anonymous mobile phone location data in order to ensure people are following social distancing guidelines during the COVID-19 outbreak.'

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defthand · 19/03/2020 18:08

8360 new tests
+603 new cases
+39 deaths

HeIenaDove · 19/03/2020 18:09

www.24housing.co.uk/opinion/make-it-go-viral-trust-in-crisis-comms/

Make It Go Viral: Trust in Crisis Comms
Council tenant Rob Gershon began self-isolating about a week ago, when the government announced no kind of isolation or distancing would be necessary other than a seven-day stay-at-home policy for people with a cough or temperature. He wonders below if there’s a better way to communicate what is happening than being over-caution and full dependence on government announcements, across the housing sector

"In times of crisis it’s important that people pull together to reinforce the social fabric, and the other materials that bind society together. Navigating the massive amount of information that has been circulating about the Coronavirus – Covid-19 – and coming to conclusion to inform decisions is already proving tricky for individuals and organisations.

As a carer with a compromised immune system, looking after my wife whose condition is also on the ‘risk list’, last week’s oddball government ‘herd immunity’ approach immediately and instinctively set off alarm bells. While there seemed to be an inexplicable acceptance that the government was ‘following the science’, it seemed a different science to that practised in faraway lands where they are managing to effectively contain the first waves of the pandemic, and a different science to that deployed by our immediate neighbours. Italy, notably, were suddenly struggling with the extreme demands a virus for which humans have no immunity and no vaccine were inevitably going to impose.

There is another angle to my distrust of our current government, rooted in their useless housing policymaking and a learned distrust of its spokespeople. While it might feel reassuring, perhaps rational to believe the government wouldn’t actively do anything to put people at risk, this notion has been smashed to pieces by government policiesof the last ten years.

This would be an even longer blog than necessary if I was to detail every failure, but for somebody who has seen, experienced and sometimes tried to help other people through the bedroom tax, the benefit cap and disability ‘welfare reforms’. As people stockpile toilet paper in anticipation of the Universal Credit shitshow, the idea government decisions don’t hurt and potentially kill people is anathema. Just within the last couple of weeks a group of respected leading charities have asked the DWP again to investigate the deaths of people whose social security payments had been wrongly cut. Both policy and the DWP handling of these cases led directly to unnecessary, avoidable deaths.

In short, with eugenicists in Number 10 and a long history of the Prime Minister being a lying toerag, for many people there is nothing reassuring about daily press briefings from a guy whose fear, incompetence and insincerity still bleeds through everything he does, even – especially – at a time of international crisis.

So, what can be said of the response of the housing sector to the exceptional circumstances we find ourselves in?

A week and a half ago, banks announced they would allow customers to defer mortgage payments if their incomes were affected by the coronavirus. This was a logical decision reached by a strong, independent business which had done some competent, realistic modelling about what the effects of the pandemic might be on its customers.

If there is a question in this piece, it is why haven’t the UK’s social landlords, calmly and publicly, announced some contingency plans for its tenants and its business? It would not even be necessary to assume the worst in order to put in place a couple of key bullet-points about how landlords are going to react to tenants who might suffer a loss of income for any one of a number of reasons as a result of the virus and its spread.

Where there have finally been responses from some housing organisations, they seem to have focused on two main issues. One is, rightly, the safety of residents and staff, including closing offices and for those that can, ensuring people work from home. It’s not clear what support will be available for people who have now realised it doesn’t matter if they don’t go to work but hopefully there will be things in place.

The other main point has been that people will not be evicted throughout the period of the crisis. This has only come about because the government has made a national commitment about it that still lacks enough detail to see how the suspension of evictions will be managed at time of writing.

This has raised an alarm for me, and certainly a few questions. In the day-to-day comms of the UK housing sector, there is a solid belief that landlords, housing associations especially, are great at comms and are thriving, independent, successful businesses. Then, at the first sign of a crisis which needs clear communication with tenants – not just internally but out in the world, too – there is public silence other than on those issues where the government has acted.

We must consider one of the points in Bobbie Hough’s helpful post earlier today about crisis comms: “Don’t promise what you can’t deliver”. A complete failure to act or communicate on any change in rent policy might be a real worry for tenants and people outside landlords trying to ensure people can get through this crisis, but for landlords it’s a natural response. While so much is still unknown, a promise to reduce or waive rents could have serious financial ramifications.

Still, there needs to be an urgent, open discussion about rent. In exceptional circumstances, exceptional responses are necessary. Part of the regulatory requirement for landlords Financial Viability ratings is that they make contingency plans for when things go wrong. Jokes about planning for a zombie apocalypse might raise a smile but at least they would have meant landlords had considered what might happen if people can’t pay rent.

The overwhelming sense of the current general housing sector response is that no matter how many jobs people lose, how many hours are cut, how much income is lost, no matter how sick people get, no matter what tragedy families might befall, the rent eats first.

Landlords are likely to be communicating directly with tenants at the moment, but there are a couple of problems with this being one of the only public responses. Firstly, they can’t prove it. Twitter might not be the only way of communicating with residents, but it is a great way to share that you are doing something. Secondly, it is a way of comparing responses and to open the measures being taken to some form of scrutiny. In addition, I haven’t heard anything specific from my landlord other than the usual advice to get in touch, which feels potentially naïve of them.

The sector has not yet had to respond to the social housing Green Paper or to many of the issues of trust raised by the Grenfell Tower fire, but an insular response in the belief landlords are always doing the right thing at the right time surely can’t be the approach we are expected to accept is now necessary?

All through my Twitter timeline and in discussions with carers and friends it is clear that across the country there are numerous community responses cropping up – local facebook groups – Nextdoor groups – informal support networks that do not include housing providers.

The sector preens its collective feathers every time there’s an opportunity for soundbites about how tenants being at the heart of everything they do, or about how as organisations they are embedded at the heart of communities. These theories have not come to the fore now the chips are down. Overseeing a system promoting long-term rent arrears risks landlords acting against people and communities at a time of crisis. This kind of damage could be difficult to repair once the crisis has passed.

Further intervention on income and rents is required from government, but landlords must end the apparent radio silent on this issue at the time of writing. As things stand tenants and leaseholders should expect a more coherent strategy from their landlords which should be reaching out to include and enhance strong emerging resident and community responses.

Later, perhaps, there needs to be a conversation about the the growing gap between what landlords say about themselves and submit entries for award ceremonies for, and what it turns out they actually do when true innovation, true adaptability and true community cohesion is needed. For now there needs to be a shift to public transparency and accountability.

I am very grateful to those people within and without the housing sector who have contributed to this piece by being open about what they are doing at their own organisations and what the wider implications of the crisis might be on sector responses"

Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 18:09

Steven Swinford -'Supermarkets will be able to pool stock, staff and vans after the Government announced that it is relaxing competition laws.
It will also mean that supermarkets will be able to close in some areas when they run short on stock and divert resources to rival stores.'

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MustBeDueSomeBetterFeet · 19/03/2020 18:09

At least tests are finally ramping up, but if these are still predominantly aimed at people in hospital that's an horrendous number of people who are being admitted.

Beebityboo · 19/03/2020 18:11

I am getting so worried about the food situation Sad.

HouseElfy · 19/03/2020 18:12

I don't understand though, as there is this same situation in other European countries and no food shortages?

Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 18:12

Jim Pickard - 'prime minister: "I cannot tell you that by June we will be on the downward slope...of course not...we don't know how long this thing will go on for....but we do know this thing will be finite" ' .

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Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 18:13

Libby Wiener - 'Also see ‘disease not yet responding to our interventions’

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Sunshinesky1981 · 19/03/2020 18:14

He needs to put in something to stop profiteering. 2 local shops that are mainly used by elderly and people who dont drive.. 9 pack of toilet rolls ..one of them are charging £8.50 the other £10. Angry

LuxLFC · 19/03/2020 18:15

WTF?
twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1240700460572397571
Sky News understands the Government has asked mobile network O2 to hand over anonymous mobile phone location data in order to ensure people are following social distancing guidelines during the COVID-19 outbreak

mrshoho · 19/03/2020 18:16

Boris Johnson says that the disease 'does not seem yet' to be responding to the Government's interventions - isolation, social isolation etc

Why would it???!

Social distancing was only suggested as an advisory on Monday!!!

Exactly! wtf ! The rapid rising of cases in London and elsewhere is not because of our behaviour over the last 3 days. This is down to the fact that other than wash our hands no effective measures were in place for the last 2 months or more.

Shambles of a press conference. The comment re certain areas in London show people are not doing as they are told was infuriating. The inference that this is why there are high numbers in this area is disgusting Angry

Angryrant55 · 19/03/2020 18:16

Isreal is doing something like that.

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kirinm · 19/03/2020 18:17

This is the legislation they've just passed. We are going to have our rights completely restricted because of this. Normally people would be apoplectic about it whereas now people are asking to force people to stay inside in lockdown.