Anyone else's Parents swanning about as if they are immortal?

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Just had a chat with my Mum, she then asked if I want anything from B&Q as they are popping in there tomorrow! This is after they went shopping to Sainsburys this morning and then said they are going again on Friday.

I have said I will get any shopping they need, but they keep going out.

FFS they are both over 70 and my Dad will die if he gets the virus. They are not taking it seriously at all.

Before we went into full lockdown in Italy and shops were still open, it's was the teenagers off school and the over 65s who were the very biggest culprits of carrying on as normal.

Read these stats....

Necessary trips to supermarkets have to happen. If following guidelines and at quiet times robably good for mental health. As long as they’re not showing symptoms. All the other stuff...definitely understand why you’re concerned!

My 70+ aunt and mother "popped" in to visit my kids who are self-isolating with a cough on Monday.

They travelled by train and bus to get here, stopping at M&S cafe on the way for lunch....

Read the stats above and make your own mind up!! Rather than the advice on tv, people are sheep... they see other people carry on as normal so they follow suit!

I’m self isolating now, if I’ve got this wrong at the worst in three weeks I might say to myself.... mmmm maybe it was a waste locking down quite so early..... but on the other hand it could save my life. The numbers out of Italy is what I’m basing my action on not the uks strategy!!

The irony with ours is pil and mine were social distancing last week then reacted to BJ telling them to social distance with “he can’t tell us what to do” and started going golf and choir to cafes etc 🤯

It’s not the death of the over 70s that the isolation is really aimed at. By keeping them out of hospital it frees up ventilators for the healthy younger serious cases who are more likely to survive if they end up with pneumonia. It is not just a serious disease for the elderly it can be serious for most age groups who become critical.

This comment is based on the information I received last night from NHS emergency planning document. Probably one of the most scary reads I have had in my career (HCP).

Mine have totally ignored it so far.

“We’ve got to die of something”
“We’re all going to go one day”
“I’m not chancing my life when I don’t know how long I’ve got left”

Like talking to a brick wall

DM is 78 and still works. No option to wfh so she's having to go out. I'm more annoyed at her employer - big British supermarket- for not taking measures to enforce or make it easy for the over 70s to avoid social contact than I am with her. Their answer is that staff must take an unpaid lifestyle break for 12 weeks to cover it. Sadly DM financially needs to work so won't be doing that.

MoneyMad I bet when they get to it the fear will spike. Not being able to breathe is not a nice way to go. I know how it is when people say such platitudes. It’s so bad.

I’ve yelled at Dh to listen then I shared a piece of writing from someone in Spain and he went pale and got it.

I really want this to happen in real life

I'm sure she expects BJ to stand up and say "all over 70's should go into lockdown- oh except MrsTreacherousPissflap Snr, it doesn't count for her"

😂

I agree re supermarkets. Rammed full of older people often couples carrying on as normal. I feel desperately sorry for the cashiers having to deal with people digging around in pockets for money which in my view should be scrapped. I don’t believe that supermarkets are suggesting unpaid breaks. They seem to need all the staff they can get

Yes! My DM invited me for lunch next week. Her DH is over 70 and DD is immunocompromised, so I sent her this link this morning.

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Indeed willdoitinaminute it's being done to reduce NHD pressure, and my mam was much more prepared to stop her activities after I explained that to her. Save the NHS, isolate

All those saying Italy had lock down much earlier... They actually sent everyone home from work, but bars, restaurants and shops all remained open.. For quite a few days after that.
So really the only difference in our government approach is they are advising rather than mandating wfh.
I went to my local supermarket yesterday.. Small market town.. It was rammed with elderly shoppers.. Not panic buying just doing normal shop. Cafe was full, everyone chatting to each other at checkouts.. No one observing 2m rule.
Today people are out chatting to each other on the beach while walking dogs and there are normal amount of cars on roads.
It really seems only London is taking advice seriously.
My dd and dsd aged 20.. One at uni.. Having major meltdown and refusing to leave her room. And one works in Central London.. Her office doing a half and half wfh /in office so rotating staff.. She can't work from home so having to go in... She is also in state of utter terror.
Its interesting.. Two young fit healthy individuals who most likely will get a mild illness if they catch it are absolutely beside themselves and desparate to come home and isolate in Cornwall.
Older people.. Just carrying on.. Yet they will be the ones needing the itu beds!
Not sure if it a reflection of the snowflake generations who have no resilience to any kind of distress or a selfish older generations who feel that as they are some how superior in their coping due to an association to ww2, despite the fact most now were not alive during ww2.

My dm's clubs have stopped so she and her friends are meeting in cafes.
Worse still my df is going to mass and receiving communion in his hand from a priest who still puts it on tongues too. I've explained that the virus is carried in saliva but he still takes the risk.

I went for my solo walk around the park yesterday (staying 2m away from anyone else - apart from runners who insist on running just past my shoulder ffs).

I was astonished to see a group of 15 elderly people playing tennis and socialising together! I can see that maybe playing tennis is not so risky, but grouping together for a chat?

@willdoitinaminute

As a so called HCP why the fcuk are you spreading gossip?

Worldwide from Italy to China shows that for the vast majority of people, without a serious underlying health condition, CV is a relatively mild illness and requires no medical intervention.
We do not need 1000s of ICU s to put young people in.

Older people need to avoid any form of respiratory illness as they are likely to get it far more seriously, they then take all the nhs resource and leave nothing left for the day to day emergencies society has.

Back to the OP, my aunt, 76, is swanning about like no tomorrow, she doesn't want to limit her social contact as she said "she doesn't want to end her days locked up in her house" she has said she wont go to the pub!!! so that's ok then!!!

TBH if the older generation isn't going to help themselves, why the heck should the rest of us suffer?

@salsmum of course we can all be carriers. That’s why this was so hard to contain! That’s why we are all being asked to socially distance!

@NotWorried51 teenagers and younger people have less chance of dying right now. Of course they aren’t worried. Look at those in their 30s. Closing their businesses, staying home with their kids, working from home.

Even Canada, which is much much larger with a much smaller population and cases has closed schools and daycares in most provinces.

This is real. Pay attention.

@NotWorried51 I personally think that Covid19 will turn out to be nowhere near as serious as predicted. The powers that be are trying to scare us

Oh yes, wrecking the economy and causing global and national chaos is all just ‘to scare us.’ 🙄

"I can tell you my girl it's ridiculous, Britain didn't win the war by running away

Take it your Mum's never heard of Dunkirk, then, or the massive restriction of civil liberties. It's ridiculous how overconfident being children in the war has made these people.

I videocalled my mum and she was in pub i wasnt impressed! Im being really careful because i have asthma , and they r not and its infuriating

These people who keep spouting about the war need a crash course in microbiology.

Fortunately there are plenty of free online courses, if only they weren’t so busy ignoring advice and potentially spreading the infection.