Lockdown won't work in U.K

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Because we are too rebellious. I cannot envisage people staying indoors for any length of time

I'd hope we can go to the coast at 10pm or similar. We have zero outside space. Neither do lots of Spaniards or Italians. Lockdown means lockdown. If everyone with no outside space goes to the coast at 10 pm then you don't reduce contact and the virus spreads.

@Libbykins Yes, I think it's going to be a while. Italy has been lockdown for longer and it's cases are still rising.

@BirdandSparrow That sounds like a sensible measured approach. I think one thing about lockdowns that people are most anxious about is an endless delay of the end point because there is no other solution for keeping the virus under control. Especially as there is no guarantee that it will be possible to make a vaccine. No one has managed it yet for the common cold because it mutates so quickly. Even flu vaccines have to be updated annually and they sometimes get them wrong. They are pretty good at predicting which flu viruses will take off, but I think for the winter 2018 vaccine they got it completely wrong and thought the flu that had been doing the rounds during the Australian winter would hit Europe, but it didn't and the one that did wasn't covered by the vaccine.

It's NOT against the rules to take the dog for a walk under Spain's lockdown conditions. You just keep a metre away from other people.

Perhaps not in Spain but here in the uK the only rules in place currently are the self isolation rules. Under those rules you are not even supposed to touch pets and you are not allowed to leave your own house/garden.

They slipped these regulations in pretty quietly didnt they. Considering they arent testing people and it states they can detain you if they have reasonable suspicion you have CV, are they going to arrest someone for simply coughing? I know that is an extreme example just wondering how this will pan out and if there is an ulterior motive behind all of this. 1984 here we come.

Where are they putting the arrested people?

Well quite.

Honestly we all think we are special and that lock down rules will not apply. There will be loads of excuses but other countries are coping and I am sure they have the same problems as us with regards children, teenagers, pets, needs to jog/walk/ride/drink whatever.

We are a nation of snowflakes and moaners

Real-time evidence of flattening the curve.

Lodi had the first Covid-19 case in Italy, and implemented a shutdown on Feb 23.

Bergamo waited until March 8.

Look at the difference.

Because we are too rebellious. I cannot envisage people staying indoors for any length of time

I don't think even the gobbiest idiot is going to argue with soldiers.

thank you Hopeisnotastrategy
I have a friend out in the Palma Mallorca and I've not been able to contact her, hopefully she's ok too!

The lack of any common sense here is mind blowing. If you walk a dog where you literally never see another person, how are you a special case? You guys do know the reason for this? Or do you just blindly follow rules without thinking about why they exist?

@Hopeisnotastrategy totally agree. It's coming faster than people think. 10 days ago Spain was not really doing anything. We have around 8000 cases today I think.

if you are not decent and wise enough to want to help shut this down, then you will be made to comply. If it comes to lockdown it will be made to work, like it or not.

The lack of any common sense here is mind blowing. If you walk a dog where you literally never see another person, how are you a special case? You guys do know the reason for this? Or do you just blindly follow rules without thinking about why they exist?

The only thing that is mind blowing is those who are insisting the rules wouldn't apply to them because they have dogs!

The French and Irish are far more rebellious people/nations. ‘Rebellious’ isn’t a word I would apply to the U.K at all.

On the JCB front, it sounds like a tall order to go from diggers to ventilators, but I would have thought that Hoover would be well placed. Italy have said that this is like a war and during war time you have to go to extreme lengths to face your enemy. In this war, ventilators are key and if that means forcing factory owners to make them, so be it. During WW1 and WW2 they melted down all the iron railings outside people's homes, trained up thousands of auxiliary nurses in a short time and did all sorts of things to keep the wheels in motion. The government have basically said they will buy as many ventilators as they can get their hands on and there will be no one interested in buying hoovers, diggers or anything else unless we get this virus under control so that normal life can resume.

Lockdown won't work. Even if the country was locked down for a month, all it will take is someone who is infected or carrying the virus to fly in to the UK and we are back to square 1.

Maybe those that 'can't' or won't stay inside can come and volunteer in their local hospital instead?

Lockdown won't work. Even if the country was locked down for a month, all it will take is someone who is infected or carrying the virus to fly in to the UK and we are back to square 1. What's the plan then somewhere like Spain wih 1700 new cases a day and climbing?

But we won’t be on lockdown because of the famous rebellious nature of the nation that loses its shit over whether it’s cream first or jam.

If we are on lockdown won't McDonald's close? Then we won't go and if doesn't close how can we be arrested for going ?

@UyScuti and to answer your question, I think there are many factors. Smoking is certainly one (I think particularly in a China it has had a role to play), but many others too. In what close proximity people and families live together; whether they have a kissing culture; the population density: whether grandparents habitually do childcare: any factors that caused a hotspot to break out at a particular point. It is striking that nearly half the episodes in Spain occurred in Madrid and Barcelona, very highly populated areas. Similarly, if you look at the number of cases per 100,000 in each local authority in England on sky news.com, they seem to correlate pretty closely with population density across the country with London boroughs making up nearly all the top spots.

The old are of course generally among the most vulnerable so if it gets into an old people’s home, as happened in Washington state in the USA, then that will cause a spike very quickly, not least I would imagine because of carers passing frequently between them and passing in and out the care home.

Closing the borders should surely come before an internal lockdown

1. Close borders (allow tourists to leave only)
2. Shield older and weaker residents.
3. Social distancing (one resident per propety permitted to the stores once per week etc)
4. Lockdown

The only thing that is mind blowing is those who are insisting the rules wouldn't apply to them because they have dogs!*
I need to walk my dog where do you expect him to go to the toilet ?
Shall I keep my cat in too ?will this lockdown apply to just humans ? Im really worried that my cat & dog will get shot .

Will places like mechanics/ garages be open if something goes wrong with car? And dentists? I just imagine something will go wrong as soon as I have no way of getting it fixed.
And I take it A levels probably won’t be happening in May.

oh yes the French are like sheep aren't they? that's why they are on strike all the time... The UK isn't the only nation who has rebellious traits you know.

The only thing that is mind blowing is those who are insisting the rules wouldn't apply to them because they have dogs

Now you’re just arguing for the sake of it.

I have a serious question about the practicalities actually.

So if you have a situation where one person per household is allowed to leave the house once a week for essential shopping, what happens if you get to the shops and you can't buy what you need? I am someone who keeps quite a well stocked kitchen cupboard, but in the interests of trying not to add to the panic buying, I have been using what I have in the house instead of going to the supermarket. I thought I was being socially responsible, doing my bit. But now I can't replace the stuff that is running out. I'm running out of basic stuff like pasta, rice, frozen vegetables and the shelves in the local shops are empty. I can't buy bread, and I can't even buy flour to bake my own, because that is sold out too. If I got an hour once a week to go shopping and can't actually buy anything, what happens then?

And the other question I have is, I am a carer for my elderly mother. If I'm not allowed out, what happens to her?