Spain: this is what happens when you close the schools

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Families leaving Madrid and heading for the coast are spreading the virus throughout the country. A week ago the province of Murcia was only getting its first case of coronavirus.

@AutumnRose1 there is no incongruity between saying we are being given good advice and it is a total shit show. There is only going to be bad outcomes honestly whether the advice being given is good or bad

How long can children stay isolated from other children, no playdates, no playareas for realistically

For as long as the parents, parent, I suppose. It's a life and death situation, better to not let the kids rule the nest, at least not on this occasion.

Article in the guardian saying we will lose 3% gdp if we close the schools.

So it's a simple matter of lives versus money then

I cannot understand UK position. Yes I know there's an expert team there, and their modelling shows that the peak is due in a few more weeks so that's behind the decision to wait.

But we in the UK & Ireland have the benefit (sadly) of countries ahead of us, China and Singapore (who knew exactly how to handle this), and also Italy & the Netherlands, and should be able to see what to do and not do. It's shocking to see events like Cheltenham going ahead - a spokesperson was interviewed on Irish radio this morning & freely admitted that there was no way to observe social distancing or anything like that but that they decided to follow UK guidance which allowed them to proceed 🤷🏻‍♀️

Seems @ShanghaiDiva is getting flak for her comment. I can confirm that her sentiment is shared by the vast majority of people in China. They think Britain is fucking insane, and Britain is very much in a minority globally with it's strange survival of the fittest experiment which is fucking perverse given the progress of the likes of S.Korea, Singapore, China, Japan etc.

@EarringsandLipstick that’s good to hear. Reassuring people financially has to be important. Recognising that people won’t be as productive if they have kids at home sounds sensible. I work for the nhs but not directly with patients and have been told I might need to work from home. At the same time, my kids may be off school. I can’t pretend I’ll be as productive as I would be on a normal work day.

"So it's a simple matter of lives versus money then" Google The Great Depression.

The comment was that she was happy not to live in a democracy!

I’m in total shock at Boris’s reaction to all this. We should be protecting the most vulnerable / elderly in our society - they are the ones that have spent their life working for and maintaining the foundations of our society; they’ve fought wars for us, fought for our rights, provided for us in every way, and they are the reason we are lucky to have the life we have now. It saddens and sickens me to think now they can’t actively provide for our economy they’ve become a throw away part of society, and Boris Johnson isn’t willing to fight for them.

But as long as the herd gets immunity to carry on working it’s ok. Argh.

@koshkatt
‘She’ does have a name!
Yes, when the outbreak happened in China I was pleased that the style of govt meant that tough action was taken. The govt did not care whether the measures were palatable or not. This was appropriate in the circumstances.
It does not mean I am a supporter of everything and anything the Chinese govt does.

@jux @Jux so local authorities can see who's flouting the rules. Just like taking term time holidays if there's a risk of a hefty fine or warning on criminal record people will soon stop. Obviously only to use in life or death scenarios like COVID19.

Bool so you mean it’s a shit situation to be in?

Sorry, it’s just hard to work out sometimes when so many posters are against UK policy.

But even if they had lockdown now, we’re not at the peak of the Pandemic. In two weeks time what do we have, the Easter break! What do you think people will do, stay in their homes?!?

I’m listening and taking on board what the scientists are saying, I understand why we’re doing it this wayl

How will we know when we at the peak?
10000 cases or 100000 cases?
I am not being sarcastic, I don’t understand how we can possibly know what the peak is.

People are overly dwelling on the economic impact. The reality is it is a once in a generation shock. Even if GDP falls 10%, we can borrow and pay it back over the next 20-30 years. Interest rates are low and will stay low.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/13/why-is-the-government-relying-on-nudge-theory-to-tackle-coronavirus

Shanghai,

It depends what steps we take.

If 60% of the population get it, which is Boris Johnson’s estimate, then maybe 40 % will get it over the peak 20 days, so about 1.4 mil per day. Scary!!!

Yes, very scary.

Well at least parents would have a choice.

can I get your thoughts?

Living in shared house in London with 3 students at London universities, one who also works as freelance photographer at events.

One student = returned from Berlin ff two weeks ago, has now gone to Barcelona to escape London.

second student = staying here, going to museums, etc as it is quiet and also london student libraries

third student = in central London working and studying.

I think we should disinfect house as it is probably here due to amount of traffic we are all doing (all using public transport and out).

Advice? Should I tell them to stay away from central london/public transport?

The schools where I am (midwest US) have closed today. They will do mandatory online classes, as will universities. The online classes will take place during regular school hours, 8-3. There will be homework

Libraries and public facilities all around have also shut. Getting out of town means going somewhere that is also closed for business, and with the risk that the wifi won't support the online schooling.

We were planning on going away if we have to self isolate, but were planning on staying in and not going out once there. So won't be spreading it as no contact with anyone.

CatEnabler, I guess, but if the parents aren't sending them in because they have for instance a sniffle and that's genuine, then why shouldn't the parents take the children off to a nicer place to be stuck in than home? If they're allowed to travel (either within the UK or not) then why shouldn't they?

Not many kids at our school have decent laptops or pcs. Not sure how they would access things online. It might have yo be a good old- fashioned pile of paper...

We were planning on going away if we have to self isolate,
Which bit of self isolate do you not understand? You do not move from the place you are and start spreading it around somewhere else.