Worried about coronavirus thread 25

[ofwarren]

Here's the new thread
I'll get Mumsnet to add the links later as I'm busy.

Thanks, interesting BigChocFrenzy

I feel really really stressed about this all. So worried for everybody, especially my Mum.

Someone from my (small) workplace has been diagnosed. Very stressed I could have picked it up and passed it on.

My hands are raw from scrubbing and I have chest pain from stress.

I think the penny is dropping that the lack of Uk testing is to allow it to spread so in a few months those who were young, fit and well enough to survive it will and the older and sicker people who are a “burden” to society maybe won’t be so fortunate. Might even alleviate the housing crisis too - kill two birds with one stone so to speak.

President Macron called the health workers of France heroes for what they have done and what they will be facing this spring.

UK health workers left standing will be thoroughly disillusioned. I’m sure many will retire early/change career or emigrate after the crisis is over.

I take an ACE inhibitor (candesartan). That is worrying that it might make it worse.

@RandomlyChosenName

I totally agree with you part of me thinks that it is part of the government's plan for us all to realise our self's how serious this is and to make us and business and even Sports ministers make the decisions to change our ways and self isolate and to cancel events. Rather than just having the government do it for us... Quite clever really if that is the case. That way when lock downs etc are implemented people are happy about them rather than frustrated...

Thank you, late check-in. It's possible that somebody at DH's work has it, just waiting to see what they decide to do.

I'll be interested in the figures today, it seems to be coming much closer to home, and quickly, sadly.

I think the herd immunity makes sense because once we let others in from countries where they have 2nd wave cases, we’d have to isolate again or for longer.

Although it only works if we acquire immunity, I don’t know how long that lasts.

I don’t get why people are rejecting the advice from the experts. Usually posters are all over the NHS to say how great it is but when their experts are stood next to a politician you don’t like, they’re questioning it. Makes you wonder...

I don’t get this ‘killing off the burdens to society’. Those ‘burdens’ have families. Voting relatives. What Western democracy is going to deliberately alienate the populace in that way? Because it would, however you voted previously.

Summary of a livestream by Maurizio Cecconi, head of anesthesiology & ICU at Humanitas Research Hospital in Lombardy, Italy. (With link to 37 minute YouTube video of entire presentation.)
mobile.twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1238452389864263681

Looks like the UK numbers have been updated already. Says only 19 cases confused

Really?!

Some work is being done in South Korea to look at immunity in those who contracted covid19 and recovered (probably similar research ongoing elsewhere) so will be interesting to see what they find.

That is the Wales figures being added.

I thought figures didn’t get updated until after 2pm?

I think the 19 cases were released earlier and are from Wales

Oh. Is COBRA meeting today?

don’t get why people are rejecting the advice from the experts. Usually posters are all over the NHS to say how great it is but when their experts are stood next to a politician you don’t like, they’re questioning it. Makes you wonder..

The only thing I’m wondering is why our expert advice is leading to massively different action to most neighbouring countries.

Boris hasn’t proven himself to be even remotely good with the truth previously and I’m doubting he is acting in our country’s best interests.

Aargh. I was sort of keeping my anxiety under control until I read that about the BP meds. I'm on one as is my dad.

What happens if you have symptoms, self isolate for 7 days go back to work and then the same happens again. Since it won't be confirmed if we have it or not we could just be on a wash, rinse, repeat cycle of it?
Doubt workplaces will look kindly upon that hmmm

I don't read the DM so wasn't aware of today's story until pp started quoting it, but the ACE inhibitor thing is true, although not yet very well understood. Much of the research now coming out of China identifies hypertension as the single biggest risk factor for a poor outcome. Covid19, like SARS, enters the body by binding with the ACE receptors. So there is some evidence that, initially, being on ACE inhibitors is protective against infection because it reduces the available binding sites. But if you do go on to get it anyway, then the downregulation of ACE that results will promote the acute lung injury that has caused so many deaths.

It is really important that anyone on ACE inhibitors (-pril drugs like ramipril, lisinopril etc) doesn't just stop taking them today, which is the prime reason this story has been broken by the DM and not PHE of course. A stroke is far more likely to kill you than Covid19. But if I were taking them, I would get them changed asap to angiotensin receptor blockers (-sarten drugs like candesarten, losarten), which act in a very similar way and are the drug you would most likely have been swapped on to if you had developed the very common 'ACE cough'.

I don't take them and have no axe to grind btw.

Herd immunity

Its like he is saying

' Get Coronavirus done'

Ugh!

Just to add that if you take calcium channel blockers, beta blockers or diuretics for your high blood pressure, none of the above is relevant to you.

@ditheringdoris

I'm a teacher in an sen school; I know a few children are self isolating and I think we have begun to organise home learning. I think you have to balance your child's health needs against learning, are they at risk health wise?

Can you cope with them at home for an extended time? Schools may shut in the future but possibly after Easter, earliest would be in a couple of weeks.

Oh @RedLentilYellowLentil is Losarten definitely not an ACE inhibitor? The DM listed it as one. My dad's on Ramipril but I did get the cough when I had it so I was switched.

@Horehound how many coughs do you get a year? 1 or 2 most of the timehardly going to be off every couple of weeks