Worried about coronavirus thread 25

[ofwarren]

Here's the new thread
I'll get Mumsnet to add the links later as I'm busy.

I watched the speech late last night online, and sort of agreed with what was being said by Bojo and gang.

Someone in my area has just posted today on social media - they have all the symptoms, extremely high temps, tight chest etc, ambulance came out - but because they haven't been abroad or in contact with a 'confirmed case' they won't get tested. Which now means a family of 4 could all have it - children being pupils at my son's school, yet as they wont get tested, this could just be a vicious cycle of a whole load of families going through the same. All because Boris wants to keep our figures down??

He says we need to protect our elderly and vulnerable but how can we do that if he don't have all the necessary information. Surely the public are entitled to know what they have got if suffering with all the talked about symptoms!?

@murraythemonk only the rich and famous hey, sod the little people.

@yoloPenguinsEatfish I hope you’re right.

So back to my self-isolation question. How do KNOW you've had it?
And what about kids ?

If they are not testing that is.

Murraythemonk do you have any hair/beauty suppliers near you? Places like Salon Services sell boxes of 100 gloves?

You won't know.

Am I daft to feel that so so much money has just been wasted on Brexit - and therefore the government is having to deal with this pandemic in the least costly way?

This is a very silly question and I know people will say of course not, but any one with any inside info might know otherwise...

On 28th Jan my DD got a fever, she recovered very quickly, maybe 3 days? The day after her fever started, my eldest son also got it and it was the strangest fever he’s ever had, it went up and down erratically over an hour and then suddenly peaked at 39.8. It then came down steadily and he had a light cough. I kept him off for 3 days, then it was the weekend. On the Monday my DP had the fever, a sore throat, muscle aches and dry cough which lasted 5 days. I thought it was the start of tonsillitis because I had that myself in Nov and thought it sounded the same. It never progressed past the cough and got better on the 5th or 6th day. He did self isolate naturally because he stayed in and slept in the play room for the entirety of it, (it’s where we put the sick ones to convalesce because the sofa is better in there.)

Do you think it’s even slightly possible they’ve had it?

I live in Herts if that makes a difference

Alakazam - I am still taking my kids swimming. They're exposed all day at schools. What's the difference?

@SemiSkimmedMilk The death rate actually in ICU was only about 7-8% in this 5-year SIngapore hospital study
(but US range is 8-19%)

Note: the cost remark below illustrates why ICU beds are limited in any country

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711206/

"The ICU bears roughly 20% of any hospital budget and deserves a close look at its performance and goal achievements"

However, the 1-year survival rate in a Korean study (Korea & Singapore both have a high standard of health care) shows how that is not the full picture:

https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/fulltext/2019/09130/survivalratessfollowingmedicallintensive_care.22.aspx

the 1-year survival rate ranged from 66.7% (year 2003) to 64.2% (year 2010).

Advanced age, cancer, renal failure, pneumonia, and influenza were all associated with heightened risk of mortality within 1 year.

Having watch the video from news night about herd I unity it does seem to make sense and while risky if it works it could save a lot of lives... There is no point in assuming other countries are doing the right thing as we really don't know that.

As for testing if its wide spread now apart from HCW I don't really see the point in testing.. That way if people have a fever and a cough and they self isolate for the week regardless of if they have to do it more than once over the next 6 months.. The fear factor would definitely be gone once you think you have had it.

For whoever wanted thin gloves for decorating/whatever else. Tesco had loads of packs of the disposable latex ones in their "keep it handy" bit of random crap (if you want a magnetic screw catching rod, or cat food can covers, or the like) yesterday which surprised me. I think the panic hoards had ran down the bog roll aisle and into the marigolds section and not thought about what I usually refer to as the "random post apocalyptic McGuyver aisle"

@Loppy10 Interesting, thank you for posting.

Ok thanks- her swim school have cancelled her lessons until further notice but they have some vulnerable children attend so can understand why (I suppose). I’ll take her tonight and see how it goes.

@IamPickleRick

Sounds very possible to me. Especially with your children getting it mildly but your DP more affected.

DH was really quite ill, he’s had 3 days off sick in the time I’ve known him. We said at the time, oh I wonder if it’s coronavirus but it was during the period that they were counting each case, I think we only had 2 in the country at the time.

Now that they are suggesting community spread is rife I am wondering if it has been for a while and only testing/people arriving at hospital has identified what was here all along.

Taiwan and Hong Kong, being so near to mainland China would expect to have a lot of cases

They didn't, reportedly because they learned from the SARS epidemic the importance of the earliest possible measures to contain any cases

• a great deal more than hand-washing !

S Korea and SIngapore also developed extensive plans after SARS

JAMA review of successful Taiwan policies:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689

@Alakazam8 I didn't mean to be rude. I'm feeling so angry with the way this is being dealt with.

If schools closed I'd feel keener to keep away from swimming pools, shops etc

But whilst schools are open I don't see the point of stopping doing anything else.

Looks like the UK numbers have been updated already. Says only 19 cases

Is the plan that the elderly and vulnerable will naturally start self isolating. Those who I know are quite worried and have started not going out. This leaves all the healthy and young going about their business, and hopefully catching it mildly and building up immunity.

Why would anyone want to go to a large gathering at the moment? And who isn’t keeping well away from others? I am not sure we need to be forced into a lockdown, I think people have realised the danger and are trying to isolate themselves as much as possible.

Schools is another issue though. Difficult to close without a serious impact on parents, probably women. It will come.

What I do disagree with is not testing people. We need to know the spread!

@BigChocFrenzy

While those countries seemed to have some success in this we really don't know if its been successful until the lock downs etc have been lifted to see whether they get another phase cases!

Have been following this from the start, I have gone from minor concern to now very worried.
My dc is an only child with severe special needs and attends a SEN school, I received an email yesterday afternoon informing me that I can withdraw them from school during the outbreak with no consequences. I’m considering keeping them home from Monday. My dh started working from home last week and I’m a full time carer to dc.
Would you keep them home considering it could be for several months?

Think that's just Wales @horehound - I've got the TV on in the background on mute.

Glasgow uni holding exams off campus... meanwhile mine still trudges fucking onwards.

I'm so bloody angry we're all being used as pawns in Boris's game of Germ Pokemon where we have to catch it all.

Good idea eeny!!