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Raging at Boris Johnson's irresponsible response to Covid 19

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somanydevices · 12/03/2020 18:15

BJ said I must level with you, I must level with the British public: many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time

How fucking dare he. This kind of phrase belongs in a rousing speech where the public are asked to come together to do what we can to help prevent those deaths. e.g. not going to large events, doing social distancing.

Not one which says "business as usual".

There was a government adviser on the radio saying they've not banned sporting events because they're in the open and in sunlight.

What about those events undercover? Or after dark? If that's the case why aren't they banned?

They're saying they're acting on scientific advice, but they're adding a layer of interpretation which is about what they think is possible.

They lack faith in their ability to communicate what needs to be done to the population and they think we're all idiots who won't do it, basically. So they've taken the decision that they can't help people dying.

I don't know on what basis BJ and his government is making decisions, but it's not with our best interests at heart.

It's a "don't panic"'message from a government scared and disrespectful of the population, not leadership in a time of crisis.

Fucking raging.

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Quartz2208 · 13/03/2020 09:44

The biggest problem with the plan is that Boris Johnson cant deliever it that well because it is beyond his comprehension.

The CMO is clear that unlike the WHO he believes it cannot be contained and therefore the only way through is this - to protect us from a second wave which could be worse

In fairness nothing in his CV screams that he is less expert on this that anyone else. Indeed it says he is as knowledgeable as anyone and this is his view so we are following it

Nekoness · 13/03/2020 09:45

I don’t respect the chief science officer and I do not believe he is following “science”. What is this “science” that goes against WHO, that goes against what other government is doing? Why aren’t they publishing this “science”? Because they are looking at the same science every other government is looking at and making different interpretations and decisions. That’s not science. That’s politics.

I think the chief science officer should resign.

TedsFederationRep · 13/03/2020 09:47

I think the chief science officer should resign.

You mean, right now? Right at this critical moment?

Seriously?

Dissimilitude · 13/03/2020 09:49

OP, you clearly have not been listening to the many detailed explanations the CMO and the CSO (non-political appointees) have given in the media over the last 24 hours.

The Chief Medical Officer is actually an epidemiologist. The CSO was the chief research scientist at GlaxoSmithKlein, and is also a medical doctor.

BJ is deferring to the public health expertise he is being given. You think BJ himself is driving the strategy here?

What do you know that they don't?

TedsFederationRep · 13/03/2020 09:50

I'm more concerned now that the "chief science officer" should resign forthwith.

Not sure who that might be - we have a Chief Medical Officer and a Chief Scientist - but whoever this chief science officer is, he should resign.

FGS.

Loppy10 · 13/03/2020 09:51

What secret science do the British government advisers know that the WHO, ECDC and other global experts don't?

Raging at Boris Johnson's irresponsible response to Covid 19
Dissimilitude · 13/03/2020 09:53

A lot of armchair epidemiologists on MN these days

Loppy10 · 13/03/2020 09:54

Belgium is closing all restaurants, bars, cafes, plus sporting and cultural events for three weeks. schools will be shut for five weeks. shops will be able to remain open on weekdays but not weekends

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TheresWaldo · 13/03/2020 10:00

Belgian schools will ensure childcare for those who need it. Grandparents are not to be used for childcare.

WhatKatyDidNot · 13/03/2020 10:02

I don’t respect the chief science officer and I do not believe he is following “science”. What is this “science” that goes against WHO, that goes against what other government is doing? Why aren’t they publishing this “science”? Because they are looking at the same science every other government is looking at and making different interpretations and decisions. That’s not science. That’s politics.

You don't think the WHO is political?! It thinks people can change sex! All supranational organisations are political. WHO has been alarmist about other outbreaks before. It's been sensible before.

The CSO is a world respected expert. Experts do not have a consensus here. Nation states have different health systems with different vulnerabilities. Every choice is a calculated gamble and we won't know whose dice were right until at least next year.

Again: nothing I say is an endorsement of Boris, who I think is a clown only surpassed in buffoonery by Donald Trump.

As a member of a high risk group, I intend to continue in the best splendid isolation I can manage and continue to hope that sufficient people who will experience coronavirus as a mild illness get it to assure herd immunity before it arrives at me.

WhatKatyDidNot · 13/03/2020 10:03

CMO, sorry.

Jerseygaly · 13/03/2020 10:05

I suggest twitter.
I tweeted reply to BJ on the sky news

RainbowPenguins · 13/03/2020 10:06

The CMO is clear that unlike the WHO he believes it cannot be contained and therefore the only way through is this - to protect us from a second wave which could be worse

I think this is the crux of the problem really, the CMO does not agree with the WHO's stance on it. Experts in this area are not all agreeing. So who do we believe?

Harpingon · 13/03/2020 10:06

I am happy to go along with what the government wants but I want to see the data that they are basing all this on. I see no reason to withhold it from the public.

NellyGrace · 13/03/2020 10:09

I want to see the data that they are basing all this on. I see no reason to withhold it from the public.

How do we voice this? How do we get this heard?

Our lives are in their hands and nobody can do anything about it.

Quartz2208 · 13/03/2020 10:09

@Loppy10 I dont think its that they know anything different I think he is just being forthright about what he is seeing.

I think it comes down to what you are trying to manage. Our CMO is trying to manage a small (because we are) country out of this with a small percentage of the world population with one infrastructure. In anything what he lacks is emotion - that is what missing from any of this the human element. It doesnt make his science wrong though

WHO are trying to manage a whole lot of different countries with different expectations and with feeling and postivity that it can still be contained

Sadly in these situations the emotionless ones tend to be correct

Sakura7 · 13/03/2020 10:36

What secret science do the British government advisers know that the WHO, ECDC and other global experts don't?

This.

The sheepish, unquestioning mentality of the Brits is quite extraordinary. Buying what your 'betters' tell you without even thinking about it. I'm seeing hints of the Brexit attitude here in the belief that your British experts are right and all those foreigners are wrong. Open your eyes for crying out loud.

accessorizequeen · 13/03/2020 10:53

@TedsFederationRep I don't think taking temperatures is much of a start, no tbh. I was trying to find the chart that shows how many tests per million people. The UK was very low down - that's raw data, surely?

The UK has the third lowest number of ICU beds in Europe. And ICU is the dept which has to deal with CV19 cases. Surely that has to be a factor behind this strategy?

emsy86 · 13/03/2020 10:59

If any of you actually think it's Boris that makes these decisions you are an idiot.. Also he was being honest.. Would you rather he said.. Oh no one else is going to die from this? The advice is good wash your hands and protect the elderly... That means don't go and visit them if you are ill and maybe get them some extra supplies.. Boris doesn't have to tell the elderly to self isolate... They can make that decision on their own you know!

TedsFederationRep · 13/03/2020 11:01

Outline what testing is available eg home testing

That's what I was responding to, accessorisequeen. They did tell you about a home test you could carry out.

What other kinds of home testing do you want?

Body temperature is the clearest and most obvious biological marker of fever. As any cancer/chemo patient will tell you.

emsy86 · 13/03/2020 11:03

Also what good does testing hundreds of thousands do? Advice is don't go to the hospital unless you really need too so not to overwhelm the NHS what good does it do knowing whether you have it when the advice is to self isolate if you have any of the symptoms anyway?

I thi k it's much less scary if we don't know if we have had It. that way when we do get a cough and get over it many will just assume they have had it so the fear factor goes away.

tim091 · 13/03/2020 11:07

@NellyGrace "our lives are in their hands...".

NO NO NO! our lives are in YOUR hands - wash them! How much clearer do you want the message to be?

accessorizequeen · 13/03/2020 11:14

Previously, they were looking at large scale testing as an early warning system for areas. It was announced the NHS were piloting home testing in Feb. But now - take your temp folks. I don't get the rapid switch. And I don't think it has been explained? But happy to be corrected on this.

Dissimilitude · 13/03/2020 11:18

They are working with a model that extrapolates the estimated number of cases from the sample of cases which end up in hospital.

Now that the number of cases (estimated 5-10k) is far beyond what can be contained, there is no need to test all.

They will continue testing to validate the model and ensure they are accurately capturing the serious cases (from which they will estimate the mild cases out in the community).

Dissimilitude · 13/03/2020 11:19

They said that testing capacity is approximately 2k a day, and that this needs to be reserved for the serious, hospital bound cases.