Worried about coronavirus thread 24

[ofwarren]

Sorry everyone, I was watching that shambles of a press conference

Coronavirus: mass events and foreign travel should be cancelled, says Australian government t.co/gxn8oLXtLq
The guardian

Philippine capital city is locked down, schools are closed and mass gatherings banned to stop coronavirus spread t.co/Yxbox3Ddng
The mail

@Wannabangbang this is what I don’t understand, how come footballers and presidents wives and celebrities getting tested when they aren’t in hospital/at risk?

I was to know this too.

I am so angry that other people’s countries are being given the chance to protect them and their families. The nature of our country, presenteeism and attendance means that bosses will do just as is mentioned upthread and demand we come in.

I am angry that there is one rule for famous/rich people and one for us with regards to testing.

It’s like we are fodder. A lab experiment for Boris to see how many of us die whilst he runs his little test with us carrying on as normal. These are our lives.

Italian chief medical officer dead from corona virus.

Source: Front page Daily Mail/fail.

Australia Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton diagnosed with coronavirus - ABC News t.co/Qrb26EniZO
ABC

I found the part about cleaning the inside of our noses when washing hands and face before bed quite interesting hadn’t heard anything up until this article. No idea if it will help anyone but may be worth a read at least.

It makes sense.

Also, I have removed jewellery and my watch, for easier and better hand washing.

"I've still got to manage the school run for the other one and sports training/matches etc as all of that is still on."

MurraytheMonK 💐
You have too much to do and need also to look after yourself, get your rest

I'd suggest that all DC sports and other extra-curricular activities are not essential and can be dropped

With all the extra demands on your time - and that extra care work sounds essential - you need also to gear yourself for a marathon, not a sprint

this is what I don’t understand, how come footballers and presidents wives and celebrities getting tested when they aren’t in hospital/at risk?

Tbf politicians are likely to be more at risk due to nature of job and the number of social interactions they have. Its particularly true of health ministers.

They are being diagnosed more though because they don't have to go through 111.

Health care workers are the highest risk group of getting covid-19. Followed by people who have a lot of interaction with health care providers. Then it's school related or more generally anyone who has a very high number of social interactions.

To a certain extent politician and professional sports people both have above average contact with hcps and large numbers of social interactions.

But then, what can we do about it at this point?
If we do nothing, as it seems the government is doing, the virus spreads, 80% will probably get it, thousands probably already have and are clueless. It's easily transmittable. Are they going on the assumption that as it flies round it weakens? It does kill, we know this, that's one of few things confirmed that we know, and we know who the at risk groups are.
Are they waiting for it to prove fatal to a non-risk person? It did happen in China, with young doctors but was felt that that was due to tiredness and lack of expertise on infection control due to being junior.

If we do what Ireland has, do we risk everyone going home and laying low? For how long? Until summer or a vaccine?
We still don't know how it reacts to summer temperatures. It's a big gamble to assume it will follow winter flu/cold pathways and all but disappear by end of May.

If we do lockdown, do we risk it coming back again when we emerge? Will it come back worse?

It's such a catch 22 isn't it?

I'm not a fan of who is running the show here. I don't trust Cummings and Boris at all. But we have no way of knowing at this point. Not until China fully emerges from its enforced hibernation. And even then, with them being so secretive, can we trust them anyway?

I'm trying to be calm and logical here. It's bloody hard work.

All public schools in Ohio, Michigan, Maryland, Kentucky and New Mexico were told to close beginning next week for at least two weeks, extreme measures that they hope will stem the spread of the coronavirus t.co/f3fNyG2xrj
NY times

@RedToothBrush

The logic is that long term we will have a covid-19 outbreak at some point because it's in such wide circulation everywhere else, so the government wanted it to come to the uk and spread rather than locking us down at that point.

I still find it hard to get away from that unsaid tackle decision
Really? I think we all knew they'd never be able to stop it, so what else could they do? I find it strange you find it hard to comprehend.

It's also just been in the news that in Scotland anyway they are in the midst of trying to double beds and ventilators and have started cancelling non urgent ops. That was on BBC news ten mins ago. So just because you aren't aware, doesn't mean it's not actually happening

I'd suggest that all DC sports and other extra-curricular activities are not essential and can be dropped

With all the extra demands on your time - and that extra care work sounds essential - you need also to gear yourself for a marathon, not a sprint

Agree. That's your bottom line. You need to keep up your own health and strength. Doing so much you exhaust yourself faster than you need to won't help anyone.

Really? I think we all knew they'd never be able to stop it, so what else could they do? I find it strange you find it hard to comprehend.

Read what I said. I said I comprehended it then got panned on this thread for scaremongering!!!

I thought a new cough was a cough not normal for you, not new from today. This is another problem - the advice is vague and unclear.

Sir Patrick Vallance says at least 60% of the population needs to contract COVID-19 in order to develop "herd immunity" to prevent further transmission in the future
Sky news

So they admit it. That's their game plan

Sir Patrick Vallance says at least 60% of the population needs to contract COVID-19 in order to develop "herd immunity" to prevent further transmission in the futureSky newsSo they admit it. That's their game plan

This is sick-I don’t want to catch it. I don’t want to be a statistic in their game plan.

So they admit it. That's their game plan

All those unnecessary deaths... bastards.

@fedup21
Literally sacrificing the elderly and the sick to create "herd immunity"

You can’t get immunity anyway as it’s a flu like illness.

It will mutate roughly every 4-5 people.

We obviously don't have the data or specialised knowledge to really know which strategy is best at minimising the loss of life

• without wrecking the economy for years too

However, it is very concerning that UK policy is not only so different from that of other countries,
but also

it is concerning that both fmr Health Sec Jeremy Hunt and the former regional Public health England director openly disagree with govt strategy

Tory MPs are very loyal & disciplined
and he has also completely destroyed his chances of getting back into Cabinet for as long as Boris is PM

For Hunt to speak out means his concern for the country has outweighed all that.

• if we assume Johnson is sincerely doing his best, I see no reason to doubt that the other two men are also giving their honest opinions

We won't know who is right for months, maybe a year
Maybe there will be not much difference in final death totals, but only in the economic impact ?

Thanks for all these threads. They help in these times. When is the next Cobra meeting? Do we know?

That’s why flu vaccines have to be done yearly.

I’m pretty sure cattle corona virus vaccine is the same. Will have to ask some farmers!

‘-We’ve wasted a month’: Former public health chief issues furious condemnation of UK coronavirus response

This is fmr PHE regional director Ashton again:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-cases-john-ashton-nhs-hospital-covid-19-budget-a9396211.html

We've decided to self-isolate from today, so it has removed a lot of anxiety for our personal situation.

But I'm still very worried about the carehome next door, elderly relatives who just seem to trust the government and reckon its all fine, stop making a fuss and just wash your hands...

If this 60% is their actual plan then they are truly despicable.

Red toothbrush I agree I think the only thing you can do is manage this now and there is no stopping it only delay and hoping for the best

But I don’t quite thing they are managing it as well as they can