Worried about coronavirus thread 24

[ofwarren]

Sorry everyone, I was watching that shambles of a press conference

Maybe they want it to get to the point that we are so despairing of lack of implementation of much by the govt that we end out self isolating through choice (and in their opinion in public unnecessarily). Psychologically that would be more effective than forcing people to do it as people would take it seriously and would mean minimal payouts by them for ssp etc.

I’m confused - I thought we were going to test 10 thousand a day, but now it says focus on testing people who are in hospital.

I'm not sure what the advice is now if you've been in contact with someone who has it. Still to self isolate regardless? And for 7 days or 14? Sorry if this has been covered already, I can't find the answer on the 111 website.

I'd have liked to see some advice for those with chronic conditions. Just saying that the over 70s shouldn't go on cruises was a joke. They can go on other holidays though yet school trips abroad are discouraged. But children aren't as at risk. So many contradictions in the guidance. People will just give up and think they are clueless and therefore do whatever they think is best for them.

I don’t hold with conspiracy theories but I feel like we, the British public are being manipulated, ‘handled’.
They don’t want us to isolate too soon in case we get bored and can’t hack it. Really, how patronising.
How come our experts are the only ones taking this line and talking about herd immunity.
I feel that the government are playing fast and loose with our lives and not telling us the truth.

Emails are coming in fast from companies deciding their own measures. Good. Socially this means people follow suit anyway.

What strikes me about these threads is the following:-

• Some people are obsessed with seeing the tested numbers rise even if it doesn’t add any value to what our options are and doesn’t change the fact there’s no cure

And

• Some people want to be told exactly what to do but don’t want to be in any way I convinced by those instructions

For example, I’ve lost count of the number of SM comments I’ve seen saying that they are distraught that their child’s school trip hasn’t been cancelled but that they won’t pull them out of it if it goes ahead because they won’t get a refund

If you believe that’s what’s needed, own it and pay for it

Do what you think is right and accept its going to have financial consequences if it’s not the party line

Disneyland in California will close due to coronavirus, only the 4th time in the park's history - NYT

I think we are being handled too and I think it's working.

All this it's unreasonable to keep kids cooped up for x amount of weeks - are my kids that unusual then? That'd be their idea I'd heaven not being nagged to go out and to just stay on their Xbox's etc for weeks

Not sure how they reckon kids wash their hands at school more.

We have on estimate 6 sinks not including the awful lab ones. 1200 kids. If they all take 1 minute each that would take about 40 minutes and thats if it was only a minute. Can't do that three times a day.

Not taking into account the 12 staff in my department who all share one disabled toilet.

I've got such a lump in my throat. No coughing or temp but I'm currently shitting myself.
I don't think I've ever felt so helpless and scared
Our Prime minister is supposed to be the person who anchors the country, who acts in our best interests, who reassures

And we have someone who got up and said, basically, that people we love will die before their time. Well that's just really reassuring, really makes me feel great and comforted a d supported.

DP pointed something out earlier- soon we won't just need the NHS, we will probably need Police, and the army. We will need retired or recently left medical staff

All things cut or disillusioned by the last ten years of Tory government. Every. Single. One.

How can we self isolate of we have a family? With one bathroom? And home delivery will eventually stop, as surely it's a matter of time before the drivers and shop staff who have dealt with panic buyers get sick too. Then what?
I feel like I'm living in 28 Days Later.
And if we had of voted in Corbyn in 2017, we would have been in such a better position.

WHO does not seem over impressed by us
They suggest we should

1. prepare and be ready.
2. detect, prevent and treat. (we are not really stepping up to this)
3. reduce and suppress. (we have no intention of doing this)
4. innovate and improve.

instead we are giving up attempting to control it and seeing how quick we can rush through the peak.

www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-mission-briefing-on-covid-19---12-march-2020

The pound will be in free fall tomorrow.
Cummings may be up for controlling our population, he cannot control the world.
It is like Pinky and the Brain.

I don’t hold with conspiracy theories but I feel like we, the British public are being manipulated, ‘handled’.
They don’t want us to isolate too soon in case we get bored and can’t hack it. Really, how patronising.

It isn't a conspiracy. This is effectively how propaganda works. Propaganda is thought of as purely political but its anything that involves advertising. Public health communications certainly fall under the banner of propaganda. Propaganda is about provoking a certain desired behaviour amongst the population. Its got a bad reputation as being somewhat sinister and bad but it is also a good thing under certain conditions.

So no, you are not incorrect in your feelings here.

The thing is that people are generally resistant to change and being told what to do on harsh terms. It has to be a gradual shifting of goalposts in order to keep people onside and supportive.

Whether the plan and intended policy is right is another question.

But the point is that every government in the world engaging in public health awareness campaigns about coronavirus are taking part in propaganda.

Maybe they want it to get to the point that we are so despairing of lack of implementation of much by the govt that we end out self isolating through choice (and in their opinion in public unnecessarily). Psychologically that would be more effective than forcing people to do it as people would take it seriously and would mean minimal payouts by them for ssp etc.

I think this is entirely feasible

Let’s face it, the number of people who would do the exact opposite of what the government told them to do, is significant.

Fascinating map from 2015 about handwashing...

Wanna bang bang, very good point.. Who takes and collects dc when your unwell?!

Sky news... Just stay at home. Why do they feel its going to be so hard?

We have on estimate 6 sinks not including the awful lab ones. 1200 kids. If they all take 1 minute each that would take about 40 minutes and thats if it was only a minute. Can't do that three times a day.

I meant 30 sinks!

Or not even unwell just staying in with mild cough

Bear your wildly taking a couple of posts or comments and narrowly forcing them through a rigid prism then applying them to all posters..

Feeling like we are currently in the situation (in Ireland) that this thread had helped me to prepare for.
Schools are closed until the end of the month, huge homework pack sent home with ds, I'm been sent home from work due to having a cough (I've had it since before cv was in the country). Have to wfh until it's gone. Anyone vulnerable or with underlying conditions will be wfh until told otherwise.
People are panic buying yesterday and today but thanks to this thread I am prepared and do not need to panic buy. Thanks to all for your tips over the last weeks/months and keeping me informed.

Mrs soho.

Some parts of the population may need drip drip.

Others are very aware and switched on and need some firm reassurance that schools will be closed and not endlessly forced to remain open. That stronger measures will be taken!!.

It's so open and sloppy and shit as quite Frankly it's always us who are like this

facing if what I’m saying is incorrect then what do you feel is the reality?

What is actually possible in practice now?

I'm in a country that also doesn't close the schools (yet).
in addition schooling is mandatory, homeschooling completely illegal.
however we have been advised to keep children home even for mild cold symptoms until they are completely better.

@Khara Not every child is like yours. Mine do huge amounts of sport and will be climbing the walls after a day, particularly my older one who has training seven days a week.