Worried about coronavirus thread 24

[ofwarren]

Sorry everyone, I was watching that shambles of a press conference

Thanks for figures

I think parents have a choice to keep their children at home if they want to and they can. The difficulty with closing schools is how those parents of essential service will manage. I am lucky to be in a position to be able to keep DC at home if they and I want. I will just say they have a cough.

@MetalDog Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that you agreed with the figures, just sort of thinking out loud. I do appreciate you posting it.

Bear... there is no evidence from any other country that testing uses 'limited' healthcare resources. Those labs are not on the front line. In other countries, labs have been set up just to test CV-19 i.e. not used for any other medical diagnostics. So I am not suggesting that people waiting for cancer diagnosis have it delayed.

I've already explained why, but for argument sake, I'll accept you're not too worried about my dc or my business. However, if there was widespread testing - as many other countries are doing - giving the NHS a clear picture, then this would certainly help the NHS plan better to predict future need and so better use the resources they have. Would you not agree that would be helpful?

I'm a primary school teacher and my parents are in their 70s. Dad has COPD.... should I be avoiding them completely? I'd never forgive myself if I was the one to infect them.

We are all in for a long ride ahead. I stay in pretty much all of the time now. But not everyone will unfortunately. These are the ones giddy with excitement about cheap holidays if the schools shut.

I got told to f^^k off by one of them on facebook earlier for suggesting now might not might not be the best time to travel.

This graph shows the effects of the lockdown in China.

Now bear with me, because this one is a bit harder to follow. The blue graph is the date of onset of cases. But this wasn't actually known at the time, because those cases hadn't presented themselves yet. The red graph is when the people infected on the blue graph were actually discovered.

On the 23rd January, Wuhan went into lockdown. This is the top of the blue graph. The effect on the number of cases was immediate, but it wasn't actually visible in a reduction of confirmed cases until the red graph started going down.

there is no evidence from any other country that testing uses 'limited' healthcare resources

Who does the physical testing then?

All I have read is many posters criticising the PM. Do you really think the two men stood with him would stay quiet if he didn't say what they have advised?

This is all new and scary but you are all adults and can make your own choices and decisions. The speech seemed to me to be preparing us for the next stage which will come soon. If they announced a big change with no build up people would complain.

If you want so self isolate your family you don't need the PM to tell you to.

And what it shows, is that THIS VIRUS CAN BE CONTAINED.

OMFG it’s very obvious some on here aren’t capable of understanding very easy instructions.

If you have a new continuous cough + temperature to self isolate. Ok
Do this for seven days, you may feel better in this time, if not feeling better and you DO feel you need medical intervention call 111.

You may have saved transmission of further CV onto others. THATS GOOD EH!!!!
If you had a cough for days/weeks previously, it an old fuck&&g cough.
If you partner or others in you household do not have, a new continuous cough or temp, they carry on life, until they show these symptoms, hopefully not.

Glad I made this clear for some.

What do we want, draconian containment measures, or 500,000 deaths?

Our 2 local hospitals have announced today no more than 2 visitors per patient and no children.

Wonder why...

Looking at those figures

Ok we were slower at first but the last three days we have gone

319
460
596

Italy
320
445
650

Tomorrow will be telling as it seemed to get worse after that point. But its 4 weeks away without any intervention? Help?

However, if there was widespread testing - as many other countries are doing - giving the NHS a clear picture, then this would certainly help the NHS plan better to predict future need and so better use the resources they have. Would you not agree that would be helpful?

No, I don’t agree

They are saying they have enough information to model how the virus is likely to spread

Testing more people won’t tell them much they don’t already know and will use resource that can be used elsewhere

If you only have mild symptoms why do you need to know if it’s CV or not?

The advice is to self isolate, ie not pass it on anyway and there’s no cure even if you do have it

@nellodee I agree with everything that you're saying.

Sunderland had its first death here at 3pm sadly.

@Bearbehind I live in a big city (not London) it’s business as usual here, I don’t know anyone working from home. There are such simple measures that might help I don’t get why we are not taking them

@SansaSnark and @nellodee Agreed.

Does anyone remember the post about 4-6 days ago where someone was in the doctors surgery and the army cane in taking boxloads of disposable gloves (?) I think? Wirral maybe? I think my brain is a bit frazzled will all this!!

Right now, I'm feeling pretty confident in saying that I have a better grasp of the science than the version Boris and co are trying to sell us.

Please supply us with your credentials which are far greater than Chris Whitty, Professor and Chief Advisor of Many Things?

I haven't been able to read the latest pages but have some questions re self isolating that I dont think Boris has addressed.

1. It seems that many people will develop a cough and fever and the guidance is to self isolate at home and ring no one. Seven days later we are either recovered to carry on with life or we are ill. What do we then do? Go to the dr, ring 111? In the meantime the people living with us who were not ill and were out and about have more than likely developed symptoms. Wasn't this the case in China that families were infecting each other from close contact in their homes?

1. How will Employers respond when so many of their workforce will soon be absent due to a cough and raised temp for seven days?

Work (hospital) have emailed staff.

National shortage of IV co-amoxiclav....(antibiotic). I knew oral medication is often made in India and may be affected, not sure if IV stuff is as well.

Also a national shortage of emergency O neg blood. So please keep donating blood if you do.

Testing more people won’t tell them much they don’t already know and will use resource that can be used elsewhere. If you only have mild symptoms why do you need to know if it’s CV or not?

It allowed informed decisions to be made.

If I have symptoms, then get tested and it’s found I’m positive, I can tell all of the people at work and they can decide what to do. My kids, partner and parents who I have been in contact with, can self-isolate.

If I have the symptoms but 111 refuses to test me, I self isolate, but my kids, partner and parents are all out in the community, potentially infecting tens or hundreds of people as they had all been in close contact with me.

I live in a big city (not London) it’s business as usual here, I don’t know anyone working from home. There are such simple measures that might help I don’t get why we are not taking them

Well that’s a great example of how much more some cities and companies can do

I work in London and me and most people I know are home working pretty much indefinitely

Yes, it’s because we can but it’s not our norm.

There’s been a noticeable drop in traffic and crowds on the trains when I have been out round here