Worried about coronavirus thread 23

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Welcome to thread 23
Here is a link to the previous thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3845520-Worried-about-coronavirus-thread-22

Congress shutting US Capitol, House and Senate office buildings to public until April 1 in reaction to coronavirus. t.co/15buymaDp9
Associated press

@RedLentilYellowLentil Yes I don't understand how so many can blindly believe what the Government is saying when it goes against WHOs recommendations and is contrary to what every other Government is doing.
It is absolute madness.

I am a little confused by Nicola Sturgeon’s comment that it’s likely mass gatherings of over 500 people will cease from next week but that schools and universities should not close. Surely schools and universities with over 500 pupils/students would constitute a gathering of over 500 people, no?

Czech Rep took extreme measures.
Just announced.
Gathering with more than 30 people cancelled,
Schools shut for 5 weeks.
Ban on travel to EU and from EU.
Czech Prime minister said that all the other measures other countries clearly are not working so they deciding to take matter into their own hands.
They got 94 cases.

I'll trust the CMO and CSO over posters on Mumsnet. Why wouldn't I?

Apparently Durham Uni now sending their students home for the final week of term and moving online. From a friend of a friend who's got to go retrieve their child earlier than planned.

We just have to hope and pray that scientists are able to quickly develop an effective and safe vaccine

@KarenTookTheKids But on what evidence are you choosing to disagree when WHO and every other government disagrees?

@Sunshinegirl82 Good luck trusting them over WHO.

There will be riots if they don't take action when all around us stuff is happening.

@Sunshinegirl82 thanks. Is there any link I can look up? I would be wary of any modelling that

• has not been shared with the WHO and ECDC
• that esp in Europe we all affect each other so there isn’t really an effective way to model us in isolation of all the transmission rates going on around Europe. We are intrinsically connected. If Ireland and Italy aggressively have put in measures then that directly effects our numbers.
• lives are on the line here. A closed model is ethically unjust.

@RedLentilYellowLentil

I couldn’t agree more. Just about everything they are doing is at odds with the scientific literature and advice from the WHO.

Just this morning a German study came out showing that people are most infectious in the early phase when they are unaware or only mildly sick:

“The researchers found very high levels of virus emitted from the throat of patients from the earliest point in their illness —when people are generally still going about their daily routines.”

www.statnews.com/2020/03/09/people-shed-high-levels-of-coronavirus-study-finds-but-most-are-likely-not-infectious-after-recovery-begins/

They apparently shed 1000 times more virus in this phase than SARS patients did. Yet the government has been telling people not to worry and they don’t need to be tested if they have come into contact with a confirmed case before they were obviously symptomatic.

Asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission has been red flagged for months now as a key trait of this virus.

The problem is I am already mostly self isolating due to being vulnerable but my husband has to work and can't work from home. He works with over 300 others so will probably bring it home. We only have a tiny one bed, one bathroom house so can't really live separately. With letting it run through the healthy population how does that help vulnerable people in similar situations? It also includes people working with vulnerable people too who will carry it in. If we are going for herd immunity inevitably people will die.

They know what they're doing, they don't know what they're doing.
They know what they're doing, they don't know what they're doing.
They know what they're doing, they don't know what they're doing.
Round and round we go ......

Boris Johnson better have some watertight justification if we carry on as normal when everywhere else is battening down the hatches

www.lep.co.uk/health/north-west-school-closed-after-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-2448243
North west school closed after confirmed coronavirus cases

A school has closed after two people were confirmed to have the Covid-19 virus.

Fines are £60 per child, per parent per absence. So if you kept them off now until Easter, you would be looking £120 for one child with two parents.

I have come to the conclusion that on social media there are either paid people posting to say the UK government is right. Or there is a lot of seriously naive people who just believe whatever the government tells them. Or maybe a bit of both.
And a lot of them have no actual answers to scientific facts or show they don't understand it. I work with scientists and have just been chatting to one about the herd immunity idea. He said that scientifically it is a load of bollocks. People will be unnecessarily killed and no there will not be herd immunity.
I think this will be one of the biggest fuck ups by a Government for decades.

*Surely schools and universities with over 500 pupils/students would constitute a gathering of over 500 people, no?
*
She did clarify that the reason for this is that large gatherings require police and ambulance attendance, and it is more to reduce pressure in those services than to restrict spread of disease.

@MyView2 I think that this must have come from the ECDC (European disease control) as Ireland have quoted the same numbers, gatherings over 500 people outside to be stopped. I have no evidence for this btw!

I think the ECDC is screaming at all European nations to aggressively social distance now. Again just a hunch!

allout, I am a HCP and am well aware that WHO's advice often doesn't apply to the UK. I am also well aware that the gov are taking advice from some incredibly well qualified and experienced individuals, I am happy to accept that they know what they are talking about. There has been an incredible amount of misinformation on here and it is important to acknowledge that. I would never dismiss anyone elses opinion in the way lentil did, posters need to accept that it is ok that not everyone agrees with them

We often don't apply WHO advice in the UK, I have never previously saw anyone on MN be upset by that?

They know what they're doing, they don't know what they're doing.
They know what they're doing, they don't know what they're doing.
They know what they're doing, they don't know what they're doing.
Round and round we go ......

This is my head at the moment.

There is some brief discussion here

mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1237760976482598913?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

OakMaiden, I totally agree with you!