The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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MargotB7 · 09/03/2020 23:48

*FlamingoAndJohn

If we are all stuck indoors eating our stashed pasta for two weeks we are going to have an even bigger obesity problem when this is over.*

Well if I'm chubby but still alive I'll be happy. I'm more likely to be an alcoholic after drinking all the whisky we have in due to Christmas gifts DH gets.

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 23:48

Anyone notice how on the BBC News tonight there was quite a long segment criticising China? It didn't quite fit. I think they know there will be criticisms as the death toll rises and they are trying to sow seeds of doubt about China's response.

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 23:49

Two weeks indoor does not cause obesity.

StinkyWizleteets · 09/03/2020 23:51

Two weeks indoors does not cause obesity

Then you’re not doing it right

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2020 23:52

Well, this whole clusterfuck came from China originally

the fault of the regime, NOT of ordinary Chinese people

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 23:53

Honestly lots of people put on a bit of weight over xmas then lose it. You are being ridiculous now.

Lynatic · 09/03/2020 23:55

Is anyone else getting traumatised yet ? You live in Italy Sud ?

compulsiveliar2019 · 09/03/2020 23:55

Nearlyalmost50 I don't work for an agency I'm self employed. So there is no advice coming through. I have clients who are rightfully very concerned. I need to be able to protect myself and them and it seems there is very little advice at present as to how to do that.

BIWI · 09/03/2020 23:57

@alloutoffucks I think it was a joke!

eeeyoresmiles · 09/03/2020 23:57

I felt from quite early on we would end up having to think of this as like a war, because that's what it is really - it's an ongoing external threat that needs us all to do our best to work together.

It's also not about protecting just obviously vulnerable and elderly people. Somehow this idea has got stuck out there that there's a clear cutoff between young healthy people who are completely safe, and elderly (or vulnerable young) people who need everyone else to protect them. It's not actually that clear cut. Even people who are younger and not obviously vulnerable could have a horrendous few weeks of illness and even some of those will die. Everyone who gets over the illness without needing hospital treatment will still be hugely affected by all the disruption to society, healthcare and so on.

Even if it's true that the illness mainly affects older and more vulnerable people, it's not true that the pandemic will only affect them and everyone else's lives will be able to carry on pretty much as normal. I think some people who are saying well why not just let lots of people get it and herd immunity happen are thinking that's how it will be, but it won't. Even if it's good for society to get plenty of herd immunity eventually, we still need it to happen as slowly as possible, so all of our systems don't get overwhelmed.

Sunshinesky1981 · 10/03/2020 00:02

Let's be honest though there are lots of people who work who will have less than sympathetic employers if they follow guidelines to self isolate if they have cold symptoms. Many workers already have a fear of taking time off sick to look after kids or illness. Perhaps now would be a good time for Unions to stand up and say they will side with and protect workers rights to self isolate and follow government advice . I'm lucky in that my current employer is pretty decent with this stuff. My old employers would have guilt tripped me and made my life pretty shit , even if I had phoned to say I've broken my leg they would have done a dramatic sigh and asked me how long did I think it would take me to hop to the office?

ClientQueen · 10/03/2020 00:12

My boss made me laugh today. He ordered our usual supplies so hand wash, paper towels, desk wipes etc. None. Nothing. Out of stock
He went on a giant rant "wash your hands says Boris. That's great, thanks for that, except we have NO SOAP and can't wipe the desks. Thank god we still have toilet roll or I'm going to the PUB"
I have pacified him by buying a pump bottle off eBay which is one of those foaming ones and filling it with shower gel (might come in useful for people struggling to get any form of soap)
I figure that's better than nothing, I have bar soap I could take in but people are more reluctant to use that

FusspotsMum · 10/03/2020 00:14

www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay

An example where those who wore masks actively avoided getting infected.

Now what if mask wearing were enforced in public...? A simple device to make people constantly consider their responsibilities and behaviours.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2020 00:24

I use bar soap;
maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but it gets my hands clean

naughtycat · 10/03/2020 00:31

I used to be a registered nurse, but I haven't worked for over a year due to (mental) health problems. I lost my registration a couple of months ago.

The only thing that I am REALLY worried about, is my friends (nurses) who work for the nhs. I know how hard they work. The pressure without covid19 is shocking.

I've been really unwell, I hope I get better, when I do...I would love to go back to my old job...I'm a skilled nurse. The thing is, the pressure that people...doctors and nurses...work under now....you have to be a certain kind of person to handle that pressure. That's without COVID. I've got so much respect for everyone working nhs now. I really really wish I could too. But I'm not allowed. I'm not resilient enough apparently.

I'm just trying to say that if the government hadn't ripped it down to minimum staff etc then there would probably not have been loads of people like me and others leave....cos we couldn't hack it?!

feel guilty I am actually most worried about a good friend who is a community nurse (aka district nurse).

FusspotsMum · 10/03/2020 00:34

@MotherOfDragonite

And there is a clear epicentre - London. Not only does it have the highest number of actual cases, but many of the cases radiating out from it (eg Hertfordshire) will be people who have commuted into work in London and caught/spread the virus there.

I just wonder whether London having the most cases is purely a function of it being the largest city. As pp mentioned, it would seem that there might be inherent reasons why the Lombardy region became an epicentre within Italy, possibly a direct exporting of cases after the Chinese New Year hols back into the Chinese fashion industries around Milan. Just speculating as the seriousness of Italy’s cases and the timing of CNY just before the lockdown of flights from China seems to tally up... thus a true epicentre or second Wuhan where the effects of community interaction become magnified.

naughtycat · 10/03/2020 00:36

Sorry. My point is:

I'm quite qualified to look after COVID patients, but I'm not. I couldn't cope, had a breakdown, and now I'm on benefits. A bit more investment into the nhs a few years ago would have saved a lot of experienced nurses. Would have benefited the general public, the nhs and the actual nurses who have had to leave.

I'm most worried about my friends who work as community nurses.

FusspotsMum · 10/03/2020 00:37

As opposed to the U.K. which has imported cases out from northern Italy after the skiing at half term back into locations all over the country.

naughtycat · 10/03/2020 00:42

Sorry, one more:

It is a fact that you can easily work a 12 hour shift as a nurse in (some) acute hospitals, without eating drinking or weeing.

I'm just really feel sorry for the nurses and doctors who are really going to bear the brunt of this crisis.

FusspotsMum · 10/03/2020 00:49

I feel for your situation naughtycat, I know exhealthcare who can’t imagine going back to cope with the hours and night shifts since kids. So many more could return if they had more choice over their hours.

brainfogg · 10/03/2020 01:00

@Bearbehind yes a lot of the public won’t be responsive to suggestions, but some will. You think if the government said “This virus is NOT like flu and can cause damage to other organs in some cases and has seen people in their 30s in intensive care” that at least some would just ignore that?

I think that a fair few might take notice. And yes if it comes to it, close things down and cancel events etc. Do you think it’s all being handled well, compared to other countries?

Jerseygaly · 10/03/2020 01:01

It is mostly tourism
Venice
Rome?
Devon
Cruise ships
Planes

All profit drive lots of quick change and little cleaning.
With air con. Maybe pools too
Ski chalets and lifts.

Iran I think they were all kissing something.
Italy seeing the pope. Communion religious crowds.
In care homes a lot of low immunity people close contact same with hospitals.

I bet masks would help a lot. Think of idiots going to gp of hospital.

Also China was bleaching everything. Destroying belongings.
In contrast we ask nicely to isolate. Let infected get on more public transport. Hardly rocket science.

Where is Heathrow and gatwick?
We have cases at Bristol and we fly to Venice I think. And teneriffe.

Venice has cruises. I imagine a few Chinese crew on Cruises were maybe asymptomatic or shedding.
This got in the air con. Do they stop in the US hotspots.
NY too.

I would test all plane staff and crew of cruise ships. Disinfect the planes and ships.
Of course too cruise passengers fly to the ship.
Expect clusters at airports and ports.
And So clean the transport between the two.
I guess Italy closed borders by plane there but not stopped and cruise staff.

seasmize · 10/03/2020 01:15

Another sobering read from Italy:

twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=21

naughtycat · 10/03/2020 01:15

Thanks FussPott,

My post seems to have gone unnoticed amongst the political debates!! So thanks for acknowledging it!

I don't have any children myself. I really wish I did. I was pretty obsessed with my job until I became unwell.

I think my point is, there are so so many people out there who USED TO work for the nhs/used to be a nurse etc , who don't anymore.

Many like me, were perfectly good, maybe even exceptional clinicians, but just couldn't cope with the situation of minimal minimal staff and minimal minimal beds.

The nurses who are left, I admire them, but I know.....they cannot physically work any harder than they are already working!!!

There is no slack in the system!!

The nurses will continue to work harder and harder. But every nurse is a human. And gradually each nurse will find her point of not being able to cope. Then society really will be fucked!!!!

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usernameishistory · 10/03/2020 01:53

naughtycat

Theres a lot to be answered for in your post, the way that the NHS staff have been treated, leading to so many like yourself now unable to continue to do the work they are dedicated to and support the structure of the healthcare system.

I am sorry for your experience, you clearly love your vocation, and such a dreadful waste.

Do they [NHS] not offer other roles that don't demand nights and overlong shifts, but different working patterns with some flexibility?

I mean GPs seems to get to work the hours/number of days they want, and mostly part-time from what ive seen, do nurses not get this chance (I guess the pay is very different making this unfeasible).

Throw yourself into enjoying your time recuperating.

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