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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 18

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 11:35

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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BertiesLanding · 09/03/2020 17:57

I don’t know why we need to wait another week or 10 days for it though!

@fedup21 and @Ciwirocks - Timing is really important. Given the relatively few number of cases relative to the population, if they start isolating now, it will be disproportionate. People will also get fed up and liable to break isolation when we really do need to isolate.

Better to wait until the probability that isolation is actually isolating COVID19 cases (instead of primarily other viruses).

Whatthefoxgoingon · 09/03/2020 17:58

@Newjez

I see where you’re coming from. However, I’m concerned the horse is but a distant galloping dust cloud by the time this government gets off its creaking knees to bolt the stable door.

pussycatinboots · 09/03/2020 17:59

BBC reporting 5th death at St Helier Hosp in Surrey

BertiesLanding · 09/03/2020 18:00

Does anyone else get the impression (not sure if they actually said it) that they need a lot of people to actually catch it now, albeit in a slow timely manner?

I think, from a wholly pragmatic stance, this is about right, imo. It is highly likely that COVID19 will become endemic (i.e. a permanent part of the landscape). So the govt is going to try and 'flatten out' that surge, so that infection is staggered as much as possible. It is also possibly preferable to have more people infected this year, because of the risk of its returning, perhaps stronger, in winter. This will start to create herd immunity.

ofwarren · 09/03/2020 18:01

51 cases of coronavirus in total and 2 deaths in SanMarino 🇸🇲

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2020 18:01

"One woman bought two thousand ffs."

She's going to resell

Supermarkets say there is no shortage of anything except handgel - their only delay is in restocking the shelves

So I hope she makes a big loss !

peridito · 09/03/2020 18:01

@Bogoffrain yes 70% rubbing alcohol/surgical spirit has high enough alcohol content to be effective against virus .

generally suggested 2/3rds spirit + 1/3 rd aloe vera,latter for moisterising .

ofwarren · 09/03/2020 18:02

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar confirms that St Patrick's Day festivities will be cancelled nationwide to curb the spread of #coronavirus | t.co/MiT1oGDaqT t.co/bOVLLNO9R3

tud41 · 09/03/2020 18:02

@alloutoffucks and saying 100,000 people will die is not?

Obviously schools alone could not collapse the economy but there are people talking about cancelling all travel etc aswell.. do you know how many people that would put out of work? Heathrow alone employs over 70,000 people. Then all the small businesses closing down etc and self employed tradesmen etc losing all their business and having to close. All these people then have to apply for Universal credit but the delays would be huge as civil servants would all be working from home. where to all these people then get there money from? The housing market goes to pot as people are restricted on movement.

Without sounding harsh the government need to do all they can to protect the economy at all costs!

Rocketmam · 09/03/2020 18:02

Sorry, just realised I said ten puffs on the blue inhaler is apparently same as a ventilator. Dh just informed me that she said nebulizer, not ventilator.

ofwarren · 09/03/2020 18:02

A fifth patient in the UK has died after testing positive for coronavirus, NHS England said.

orangeicecream · 09/03/2020 18:02

Just heard on radio about a potential new government policy for 7 day self isolation for anyone with any one of cough, headache, temperature.... Could be interesting at school!

peridito · 09/03/2020 18:03

Yes yes to @Stircrazyschoolmum Mon 09-Mar-20 17:33:16
I think the logic of delaying more extensive action is that most Brits have a fairly low tolerance of being uncomfortable / inconvenienced.

The risk is, close everything down too early and folks will start getting bored/twitchy/complacent or running out of stuff in a couple of weeks time when we are at ‘peak’ contagion. This will cause a second wave of infections that will prolong the length of time the NHS has to struggle.

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ofwarren · 09/03/2020 18:03

BREAKING: Fifth person dies in UK after contracting #COVID19
t.co/1aDQT3iYrc

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 18:04

@tud41 No because we know people will die from this virus.
And yes I have been saying on the threads that fragile businesses and tourist businesses will be hit hard and may collapse. I did not say there will not be an impact on the economy, of course there will. But the economy will not collapse.

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 18:05

@Rocketmam That is good to know, thanks.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2020 18:06

alone, fourteafallout The WHO are calculating only from the officially reported cases globally

As I posted, Uk public health experts are taking only UK cases AND assuming there are probably 3 x as many mild cases not reported - which lowers the death rate to 1%

Facingtheunkown · 09/03/2020 18:06

I still cannot get my head around this.

Only now they start to test people and screen?

We don't want to go too soon.. But they must have a huge amount of slack in numbers in community?
The spark is lit.

The spark is lit so we wait for it to present at hospital?

By which time we have Italy crisis on our hands?

Is Italy fatigued?. They won't adhere anyway?.
Thousands have fled Milan area to the south! They break quarantine.

peridito · 09/03/2020 18:07

I think there is a desire from a lot of people that the Gov be seen to be taking action eg closing schools .

They are doing stuff look here

The Contain phase – actions to date
Across the whole of the UK, public health agencies and authorities, the NHS, and Health and Social Care NI (HSCNI) have established plans and procedures to detect and isolate the first cases of COVID-19 as they emerge in the UK.

Each nation’s public health agencies have worked with Border Force, port operators and carriers to enhance port health measures. Public Health England (PHE) teams are on site at appropriate international ports, and health advice and information has been widely cascaded, as part of our public communications plan, with appropriate arrangements also put in place in the devolved administrations (given that some aspects relating to the arrival of aircraft and shipping are devolved).

Border Force and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) have assisted the repatriation of British nationals and their dependants from affected areas overseas. Where foreign nationals in the UK have been unable to return to affected areas, the Home Office has provided support enabling them to remain in the UK.

New regulations introduced in England under public health legislation provide new powers for medical professionals, public health professionals and the police to allow them to detain and direct individuals in quarantined areas at risk or suspected of having the virus.

In Scotland Health Boards have powers to place restrictions on the activities of individuals who are known to have the disease, or have been exposed to the disease, and to prohibit them from entering or remaining in any place. Boards may also apply for court orders for quarantine and medical examination.

In Wales, local authorities have powers to apply for an order to be made by the Justice of the Peace to isolate, detain or require individuals to undergo medical examination. Similar powers are available to the Public Health Agency in Northern Ireland. Welsh Ministers also have powers to make regulations equivalent to those now in place in England if the level of risk increases.

As part of the port health measures, direct flights arriving into the UK from countries within the UK’s CMOs’ case definition are required to provide a declaration (General Aircraft Declaration) to airport authorities stating that all their passengers are well, 60 minutes prior to landing. Similarly, The Maritime Health Declaration Form is required for all vessels arriving from any foreign port. For Scotland parallel measures are in place.

The health and social care systems and public health authorities in all parts of the UK have cascaded information widely to all health professionals on steps to take if they identify patients who may have COVID-19.

The NHS/HSCNI have well rehearsed plans that have enabled the provision of excellent care for all patients affected by this disease. The initial confirmed patients are being cared for by specialist units with expertise in handling such cases, using tried and tested infection control procedures to prevent further spread of the virus. When necessary, the provision of care may move from specialist units into general facilities in hospitals.

The NHS/HSCNI have expert teams in every ambulance service and a number of specialist hospital units with highly trained staff and equipment ready to receive and care for patients – these provide coverage across the whole of the UK. If the current outbreak takes a greater hold, we will use those lessons about effective treatment methods and apply them throughout our health services, across all hospital sites and into community settings.

Once a case has been detected, our public health agencies use tried and tested procedures for rapid tracing, monitoring and isolation of close contacts, with the aim of preventing further spread.

The UK maintains strategic stockpiles of the most important medicines and protective equipment for healthcare staff who may come into contact with patients with the virus. These stocks are being monitored daily, with additional stock being ordered where necessary.

We have provided UK residents and travellers with the latest information to make sure they know what to do if they experience symptoms and worked with NHS 111, NHS Direct Wales and NHS 24 in Scotland, to ensure people with symptoms are given appropriate advice.

Public health advice has been widely publicised and is regularly updated. See Coronavirus (COVID-19): latest information and advice.

FCO Travel Advice gives British nationals advice on what they need to know before deciding whether to travel and what to do if they are affected by an outbreak of COVID-19 while travelling. Our travel advice and consular assistance also help to contain the spread of COVID-19 to the UK.

Advice has been provided to first responders, employers, the justice system (including prison and probation services), educational settings, and the adult social care sector.

The Department for Education (DfE) provides advice about educational settings in England, which can be found on PHE’s website. A DfE helpline is being set up to manage the flow of increasing queries, from providers and from parents of pupils.

Equivalent guidance for educational settings in Scotland can be found on the Health Protection Scotland website. This guidance provides links to further advice via NHS Inform and contact details for local Health Protection Teams. Scottish local authorities can also provide advice and support to education settings in their areas, working closely with local Health Protection Teams and local and regional resilience partnerships.

In Wales, guidance for educational settings is provided on the Welsh Government website which also provides links to further public health advice.

Department for International Trade teams around the globe continue to support British companies facing disruption due to the coronavirus. The department’s officials across the globe are already working with UK businesses on the ground to relay public health advice and FCO travel advice, and provide practical and concrete support to firms, including engaging with local government and suppliers, and working with business associations to disseminate latest information on UK consular and visa services, and accessing existing UK Export Finance facilities.

All NHS and HSCNI emergency and urgent care facilities are working to establish coronavirus assessment services to lessen impacts on emergency departments and other clinical settings. This enables them to identify, isolate and contain cases, separate from other patients and the public, and in a way scalable to cope with expanding need. Specifically tailored and effective services responding to this outbreak have protected GPs, ambulance and hospital services for other patients.

The safety and security of British Nationals overseas will always be our top priority. Our initial focus has been helping those Britons who have found themselves at the greatest risk of exposure to the virus. Our crisis response team in the FCO has been working around the clock with our embassies throughout the world to provide them with the care they need and reduce the risk of importation of coronavirus into the UK. This includes the use of quarantine and self-isolation measures for those returning from at risk areas.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-action-plan/coronavirus-action-plan-a-guide-to-what-you-can-expect-across-the-uk

HeIenaDove · 09/03/2020 18:07

Is social distancing one metre? My town is full of beauty salons barbers and hairdressers. They would all go bust if it went on for weeks let alone months.

Rocketmam · 09/03/2020 18:08

@alloutoffucks don't know if it is useful or not but she also advised him to get a spacer. Apparently it means more of the drug enters the lungs.

ofwarren · 09/03/2020 18:08

5th person to die in the UK was in their 70s

ofwarren · 09/03/2020 18:08

1st coronavirus death in CANADA. British Columbia

tud41 · 09/03/2020 18:09

yes but if we end up having more deaths in the country than china had cases then Mr Hancock is a walking dead man... [not a threat obviously ]

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2020 18:09

"On average over a year 153 people across the world die from flu."

I think that must be 153 people daily averaged out over the year