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Rocketmam · 08/03/2020 21:22

I take comfort in these threads.

Since when do we have to take everyone's mental health into account when posting about, lets face it, pretty scary stuff?

People are dealing with this in different ways. If you are so fragile you cannot cope with other people's theories and speculations on a major issue then maybe a public forum isn't for you.

Log off and stick to PHE announcements, and pack in trying to police what other people are saying on the internet. And knock off the faux concern for unseen others mental health.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 21:23

ofwaren 5-10C is what we've had here for some time, so the ideal temperature for propogation

I noted the clear warning that hot temps alone won't end the crisis

I presume scientists will continue to investigate the effect of climate, to help public helath planning over the year

We had around 40C for a few weeks last summer and I admit I've been hoping for a repeat

exactly the opposite to what I was hoping last sweaty year !

mumoftwodc · 08/03/2020 21:24

This is a very interesting thread on hand washing. A really good read.

twitter.com/pallithordarson/status/1236549305189597189?s=21

HotPenguin · 08/03/2020 21:24

Delurking to say I've found these threads very useful and informative. Some people are at the more anxious end of the spectrum and others are at the less anxious end, that's to be expected, it's generally been a very respectful discussion. I've really appreciated the links.

I had to go to A and E today. It was the quietest I've ever seen it. Perhaps CV is keeping away the worried well?

In response to an earlier post re what to do about handrails on public transport and key pads at work. My plan is to apply hand gel immediately before touching - to stop me from transferring germs and might help kill any I pick up - then as soon as I get to work wash hands.

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 08/03/2020 21:24

That may be so but the staff member I spoke to was very upset and fed up and felt as if the message they were getting was that the University couldn't give a flying fuck about their safety. Not even trying to reduce contact among their population - continuing to have - for example - boozy dinners (are these really necessary?).

So, they're not doing well in the staff confidence stakes at least.

Bearbehind · 08/03/2020 21:25

Log off and stick to PHE announcements, and pack in trying to police what other people are saying on the internet. And knock off the faux concern for unseen others mental health.

TBH I’m less worried about them than the poor buggers on the front line of the NHS that have to deal with people who you who like who have wound others up to the hilt

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 21:26

Are there more cases among the elderly, because the generally better immune system of younger people is more likely to prevent it getting established ?

Or are more cases just being reported for the elderly because the young may just think they have a cold, but the elderly are much harder hit by symptoms ?

Don't know.

The Italians have said that it was initially the elderly who were presenting as cases and more recently its been younger cases that have appeared.

I think I'd probably say that older people presented earlier in part because they had more serious cases, but I also think there's something about it taking longer for younger people to catch the disease too.

Perhaps that's to do with level of exposure meaning for example that elderly people are infected on first exposure (100% chance of infection if exposed) to the disease but a younger person might be exposed once and not get it until say their third exposure (33% chance of infection if exposed). As the disease becomes more common, you are more likely to be exposed multiple times.

I am very much speculating, but that could be one explanation.

That would mean an absence of cases in metropolitan areas could be to do with younger people needing more exposure - if that's the case then it makes cities a ticking time bomb in a different way to counties like Devon as they will explode in numbers from apparently no where....

myrtleWilson · 08/03/2020 21:27

Ah I'm sorry about that Lang - my insight has been different - that staff concerns about themselves, students, wider community are acknowledged and taken into account.

Jumpedintotheabyss · 08/03/2020 21:27

It's international women day... And here we are being talked down to and patronised. As if we can't decipher information, we are too thick to filter information and we need someone to come along and tell us we are being hysterical.

Repugnant.

todayisnottuesday · 08/03/2020 21:28

If you are so fragile you cannot cope with other people's theories and speculations on a major issue then maybe a public forum isn't for you

Nice.

And knock off the faux concern for unseen others mental health.

Just because you lack the capacity to have any compassion for 'unseen others' does not mean other people's is fake.

Earlier on these threads at least two people said they were in tears at the thought of all they were reading. You may not give a shit about that, but some do. But you crack own with your little hobby why don't you. Pathetic.

fullofteandneedstopee · 08/03/2020 21:28

Third person has died in the Uk in his 60s

Bouncer4me · 08/03/2020 21:30

Summersazz
Could I ask where you got that photo of cases broken down to towns rather than county’s please. I can’t seem to find it and my town typically is a few above Somerset lol

Bearbehind · 08/03/2020 21:30

I’m a woman jumped

What is your point?

If you were an NHS Doctor how would you feel if everyone was conditioned to think the slightest sniff was CV?

How would that help your role?

AvocadoOwl · 08/03/2020 21:31

In a country where articles in the Daily Mail and The Sun are taken as gospel truth by millions?

To be fair that has always surprised and bewildered me too.

The tabloids at least pretend to be actual bonafide news though. No one here is positioning themselves as anything other than a bunch of Mumsnet members trying to make sense of an unprecedented, complicated, and fast-moving situation.

That said, I'm not sure which posts prompted all the upset. I've been following from thread 1 and have seen people sharing hysterical unsubstantiated nonsense being corrected very quickly 🤷‍♀️

DrMadelineMaxwell · 08/03/2020 21:31

@Jumpingintotheabyss There are lots of similarities, obv, as it's a flu.

It explains the origin of many different flu strains and how and why it can mutate so easily into different strains.
It discusses social distancing (if you google the name of the book and social distancing you get the google book results where you can read some of it) and it discusses why schools are sometimes shut (kids being excellent at passing on the infection in their snot without necessarily being hit hard by the symptoms) and how other people had the same arguments then about why not to shut schools as they are today.

It is interesting to see which countries implemented severe controls, like Italy is trying to do - and which ones held up their hands and claimed they couldn't do the same.

And it explains that the flu causes lesions in the lungs (virus) that then become susceptible to bacteria, which causes the pneumonia.

Overall a very readable book.

middleager · 08/03/2020 21:31

That's very sad news full

todayisnottuesday · 08/03/2020 21:31

Dear God, the absolute DRAMA of it all. Enjoy! And keep on not letting any facts get in the way of anything, that's progress eh!

Jumpedintotheabyss · 08/03/2020 21:32

Hot, I've never touched handrails anyway, I always use sleeve or coat or something, piece of tissue.

Can I also remind people in shared offices, the kettle handle, fridge door.. Milk will all be man handled many times a day and worst of all

The office cleaning sponge 🤢.

The sponge is the filthiest thing even in a normal house, I dread to think what it holds in an office?

Alwayscheerful · 08/03/2020 21:33

I have followed every thread.
We are fortunate, I work from home. My husband is in between jobs, he is cracking on with outstanding DIY.
We have at least 3-6 months of food and household supplies, we can possibly manage longer with some fruit, veg and milk delivered.

I am worried, The UK may well be where Italy is in 2 weeks.

My son in law says it's just the flu.
My friends are carrying on regardless.
My nieces are booked on flights and holidaying abroad over Easter.
Friends and family are eating in restaurants, drinking in coffee shops and spending evenings in pubs.

They will think I am mad when I say I am prepped and staying at home. This thread is keeping me sane.
Thank you all.

Jumpedintotheabyss · 08/03/2020 21:33

Today, when I'm chatting with people in rl we don't stop to verify facts.
Get over yourself it's a chat forum

Toodle. Pip.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 08/03/2020 21:33

To me Italy is the big worry. Reading the article about the hospital which had to use the operating theatres and other rooms for ICU/ critically patients was terrifying.

The trouble is this means the whole hospital and all doctors have to be CV doctors, the hopsital won't be doing anything else. You don't want to try and run a non-CV part where the majority of patients are infected.

I would appreciate if anyone has seen more info on what this means for non-cv health issues. I know of 2 people now who have been told their chemo has been cancelled - one mid course.

I do think the potential for lots of people dying from non-CV stuff is also very high.
What if there is no chemo, no surgery for appendictis, bowel blockages, no treatment for heart attacks, no help for broken bones , no mentak health services, nobody to stitch wounds, no doctor to prescrcribe antibiotics, no body to diagnose diabetes... the possibilities are endless and horrific.
I have seen post on here of people who are wanting to buy home oxygen machines, drips etc etc.

Bearbehind · 08/03/2020 21:35

when I'm chatting with people in rl we don't stop to verify facts.

That’s not exactly something to be proud of 🤔

AutumnRose1 · 08/03/2020 21:35

BigChoc “ We had around 40C for a few weeks last summer and I admit I've been hoping for a repeat”

This would be appalling. I spent the heatwave summer at my fathers hospital bed. He was too ill to notice but I saw patients crying because the hospital was so hot, it was giving them a kind of delirium. It would be awful if patients were enduring that, trapped behind isolation plastic, with staff in protective gear.

I actually wandered round the ward fanning people who looked at me hopefully as I wielded my crappy paper fan! I had an ice bottle shoved up my back!

TheRealHousewife · 08/03/2020 21:35

@Bercows

ofwarren · 08/03/2020 21:36

All Brits returning from Italy lockdown areas will be asked to self-isolate for two weeks, it has been confirmed
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