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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 15

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usernameishistory · 06/03/2020 20:38

Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

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LarkDescending · 07/03/2020 18:03

Contagion is the programme on iPlayer.

redstararnie76 · 07/03/2020 18:05

I feel really frustrated with the lack of testing in the UK, it feels like they are keeping the figures artificially low. Italy has 1249 new cases today - well, we won't have that many, not least because we didn't even test as many as that!!! How can we have a true picture of the spread of the virus when we are hardly testing any?

justchecking1 · 07/03/2020 18:05

What they're likely to mean is that none of us will get sued for acting outside our competencies (within reason) if the SHTF. For example, I'm a fully trained doctor but I don't work in acute medicine. Although I'm fully trained to do this, I'm rusty since it's not my specialist area.

If no acute care physicians are available, I'm definitely better than nothing, but without assurances that I won't get sued for doing this type of work I wouldn't be stepping up and risking my whole livelihood. It's likely a lot of people are going need to be working outside of their core areas of expertise if things get really bad.

middleager · 07/03/2020 18:06

Donkey Thanks. I knew he didnt want those numbers on US 'soil' but to not test them at all or delay it... JFC.

Does he think they will just conveniently go away?

LarkDescending · 07/03/2020 18:06

The opportunistic (sentinel) testing programme has yielded two positive results, according to a snippet I can see on Pulse. Those with a GMC registration will be able to read more.

TheGirlFromStoryville · 07/03/2020 18:08

I booked a week in the Canaries for Easter hols for me, DM, and Ds (booked ages ago) . DM has lots of preexisting medical issues, do you think we should cancel? DM thinks its just like flu but I'm really worried about one of us catching it.

EgonSpengler2020 · 07/03/2020 18:09

As of tomorrow I will be changing out of my uniform before coming home from work (traveling to and from work in uniform has always been standard practice). Don't think I will shower at work before coming home, but may consider this once there are cases confirmed in my area.

Haven't seen anything from management to suggest we start doing this, however the chief exec has put a memo out to frontline staff asking men with beards who failed their fit test to consider going clean shaven for the duration of the outbreak.

GPwife2411 · 07/03/2020 18:09

@FourTeaFallOut - to my knowledge, yes that's true. It's my region. I don't know what the rationale was for selecting practices but it makes me doubt the numbers for the region even further.

justchecking1 · 07/03/2020 18:12

Hoping someone can help. I've got some hand sanitizer but it only has a 50% alcohol level. I was wondering if I add some surgical spirit to it (which is 95%) to bring it up to a 70% level what my measurements should be per 100 ml ?

You need to mix it 50:50. This will give you just over 70%

middleager · 07/03/2020 18:12

Big numbers at Crufts and from oveseas - more than 400 Italian dogs.

www.itv.com/news/central/2020-03-06/coronavirus-clashes-with-birminghams-crufts/

Hope my local airport was testing the 800? owners' temperatures.
Yeh right!

Delatron · 07/03/2020 18:13

Agree @redstararnie76
They need to relax the strict criteria in testing. We have seen community transmission. There have been cases where people have no travel history to affected places and no contact with people who have either.

I think there will be lots of undetected cases out there. So frustrating and we then don’t get the true picture.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/03/2020 18:13

I wonder if concern / minimisation of Coronavirus is as dependent on political views as in the US ?

Americans divided on party lines over risk from coronavirus: Reuters/Ipsos poll

www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-polarization/americans-divided-on-party-lines-over-risk-from-coronavirus-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN20T2O3

Democrats are about twice as likely as Republicans to say the coronavirus poses an imminent threat to the United States,
according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted this week.
And more Democrats than Republicans say they are taking steps to be prepared,

“Our hyper-polarization is so strong that we don’t even assess a potential health crisis in the same way.
And so it impedes our ability to address it,”

DonkeyKong2019 · 07/03/2020 18:13

@middleager that's exactly what he wants. If you don't test then they don't exist!

I have elderly grandparents living in California. The approach is making me twitchy

HeIenaDove · 07/03/2020 18:14

From Twitter

Liz Crosbie #FBPE5000
@CrosbieLiz
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6h
My Dad has #MotorNeuroneDisease & is housebound Yesterday my elderly mother tried to buy the wet wipes & materials his carers need Nothing available locally so thank you to all those #panickbuying it means those that need assistance can't get it #CalmDown & think of vulnerable

AnyOldSpartabix · 07/03/2020 18:16

”Italy had 227 cases on 24th Feb, so 11 days ago.”

But there was a superspreader who showed no sign of illness and had no known contact with COVID. He was hospitalised for days before anyone thought to test. When they finally did, there was a massive apparent spike in cases because he’d been in contact with so many people, who were all tested at the same time.

middleager · 07/03/2020 18:16

I bet Donkey just when you thought he couldn't stoop any lower.

Wishing your GPs well.

FourTeaFallOut · 07/03/2020 18:18

So how would we know if there is any community transmission, who thought that was a good idea? Bastards.

RedToothBrush · 07/03/2020 18:20

7th princess diamond death.

myrtleWilson · 07/03/2020 18:21

LA data is now up on PHE

OneTimePrepper · 07/03/2020 18:24

Agenda Free Tv on youtube is a good source of information. Generally they focus on the USA but also do bits from around the world. Its live now.

VivaLeBeaver · 07/03/2020 18:27

Italian journalist on bbc news said it’s thought Italy has such a high number of cases because they’ve done such a high number of tests.

The inference being that if other European countries were testing at the same rate they might have similar figures. I suspect she may be right.

Rocketmam · 07/03/2020 18:29

Italian journalist on bbc news said it’s thought Italy has such a high number of cases because they’ve done such a high number of tests

Agreed.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/03/2020 18:29

"The inference being that if other European countries were testing at the same rate they might have similar figures. I suspect she may be right."

What about the number of deaths in the different countries though ?

Wouldn't all European countries, including the UK, be monitoring sufficiently closely not to miss a load of Coronavirus deaths ?

Or could a large number be slipping by, especially of the elderly?
That's worrying

justchecking1 · 07/03/2020 18:31

"Since last week, patients presenting to 100 participating GP practices with severe respiratory infections, but who do not display Covid-19 symptoms, are being tested on an opportunistic basis.
When it launched the surveillance system, PHE said there was 'no evidence' that the virus was 'circulating in the community' in England. However, since then five patients who had not travelled from coronavirus-affected countries, or had known contact with patients who had, have been diagnosed."

From the Pulse article that Lark linked to.

So 5 identified from the sentinel programme. The numbers tested seem way to low to me to encompass screening of all flu-symptom patients, which is who I thought it was supposed to screen. However, this article says it's only testing severe respiratory infections. It doesn't state what the diagnostic criteria for this is.

Again, we are going to be missing massive swathes of the population. The whole point of random community screening is to screen lots of people! If we've got another really tight set of criteria then it won't be much better than the 111 screening.

If your respiratory infection is that severe you're likely to be going to A&E rather than a GP (especially with severe shortness of breath and pyrexia), and A&E aren't screening anyone! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Faybian · 07/03/2020 18:31

@justchecking1 Just wanted to say thank you for being a nurse. You sound so courageous too. Halo

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