worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 15

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

Well, did you just read my post? WHO basically says no point not moving around...

This isn't actually what they say. What they say (to governments) is don't ban travel. One reason for that is that you still get travel, but by back door routes - people try to get round the bans, but in ways you can't monitor, so you end up with potentially even worse transmission. That makes travel bans pointless, and yet costly, because you lose some of the vital things we need to do to keep society going from happening.

They are not saying people not travelling doesn't make a difference. Of course it does. It's just that travel bans don't necessarily work as a way of making that happen.

Not are they saying that it doesn't make any difference to individual risk not to travel. Again, of course it makes a difference if you can avoid going to places where you can catch and spread the virus.

It's banning travel the WHO advise against, not avoiding travel. And even then, that may only apply while normal life is otherwise generally going on - they're not saying quarantine (the ultimate travel ban) is pointless.

If we all practise good social distancing, including not going to busy places, it will make a difference to how this goes.

I don't agree with who, and China stopped people moving around so I can't see the logic.

That's why I said it's while otherwise normal life is pretty much going ahead. Quarantine and complete lockdowns are a different thing.

What are you guys using for cleaning your phones? I'm thinking mine must be a perfect breeding ground as I wash my hands but not my phone

You can buy uv boxes to clean phones, keys etc. I think they're about £35. Might be worth considering if the run on cleaning products continues.

If travel isn’t banned then people with holidays booked will still go, as otherwise they lose £1000s. If it’s banned they can claim travel insurance. If reducing travel is the way to go, then it needs to be formalised.

It is worrying how the two hospital deaths were handled. Both times they were only diagnosed hours before they died. Therefore they’d spent hours and maybe days coughing all over staff and patients. I’m guessing hospitals don’t get shut down for a deep clean?

The hospitals need to be more on this and that directive needs to come from the government. An elderly man returns from travelling on a cruise, visiting many countries. Has pneumonia type symptoms yet isn’t tested straight away, he’s put on a ward in a busy hospital, visitors come and see him. This is going to end a huge problem for many in those hospitals now.

Anyone suffering with dry hands from hand washing. My daughters look sore from the soap at school. Would a handcream help or would it be a breeding ground for germs?

If someone's already ill and frequently in and out of hospital it can be difficult to see where one problem ends and another begins.

I think it depends on the region @Advocado.
Dh's company factory in Suzhou has been open for the last couple of weeks. Initially only 10% of workers, now he estimates around 70% are have returned to work. Some are still stuck in quarantined areas and have been since Chinese New year. The head office in Shenzhen is not in the same situation. Most are working from home I believe . They have suddenly received large numbers of orders from places like India - where people are panic buying due to a possible lockdown I guess. Some are buying 60 × their usual orders. So keeping up with demand is very difficult.

fezzesarecool - I’m a nurse and we do use all that protective wear when we take flu swabs (masks over our mouth/nose and the visor) and it’s been that way for many years.

We then have to wear the masks until the test results come back as negative. If the test result comes back as positive then we just continue to wear all the protective equipment until the patient is discharged.

@fullofteandneedstopee I have dermatitis at the moment mainly because I have an 11 week old and was already over hand washing. I have found that Aveena balm helps. Absolutely do put hand cream on or you'll be in agony.

For phone I have wipes that say anti bac and anti viral.

A few times a day I wipe with the those and smear alcohol gel over it too when it do not my hands.

I think the WHO report about mortality rates mentioned that if the older people who died from covid-19, had got pneumonia from something else, they would probably also have died iyswim. Which is what you would expect as the mortality rate for the elderly with pneumonia is high.

is milton fluid better for wiping down surfaces, phones, touch screens etc, than ordinary surface wipes, anti-bacterial cleaning wipes.
i know this is a virus.
but surely cleanliness helps.
as for using loo roll, please ensure it is from a new unused roll, straight from the packet, with clean hands, and not pulled off one already hanging in the loo, which is likely contaminated..
its good to remind us about phones, which often get overlooked.

Surely if schools close there will be lots of older siblings around to do childcare of younger ones.

My dc wouldn't need much persuading to stay in and play on their Xbox indefinitely!

I thought they weren't closing schools because the WHO said that it wasn't an effective way to slow spread

This is flat out not true. Why are all the other countries doing it and WHO have praised China, who closed schools.

Yes pneumonia itself can have up to a 30% mortality rate in severe cases and is normally around 5%

My Grandad got pneumonia from a cold and died

I think the problem is the number that go to viral pneumonia and the fact we can’t treat that

delatron

Things move very slowly in hospitals except a and e.

What happened to MK man doesn't surprise me in the least. One can't imagine how utterly frustrated that family must have been. There is a stupidity I have witnessed time and again and a sort of general passive acceptance.

Eg staff watching family coming into ward without using alcohol gel dispenser. Instead of directing the family to the dispenser... Just watch, roll eyes or chat.

The cleaning is shit anyway.

Those poor people also visiting loved ones perhaps on the cusp of life witnessing this other distressed coughing man!

Thinking.... Fucking do something.

I'd have fine absolutely mad and probably been arrested.

Not sure I’d trust my 6yo with my 3yo somehow

By the way that video of intensive care in Italy is terrifying and I hope Boris and the other ministers have seen it. A lot of those torsos of people on ventilators don't look particularly elderly.

The doctors and nurses are heroes - but surely, surely we should learn from them? Why are we sleepwalking towards putting our doctors and nurses in the same living hell of too many patients and not enough beds? We need to close down transmission now.

Although it does appear to be true that children get a much milder version of this, they sadly appear to be just as able to catch it in the first place.

wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0239_article

Is anyone else surprised by the Japanese numbers? Given the high density of the Japanese poulation on the 4 main islands and also the high number of people who reach old age I would have expected their numbers to explode like they have done elsewhere, but the spread of the virus there appears a lot slower?

Not sure I’d trust my 6yo with my 3yo somehow

Really? Even though they’d love the freedom to be able to play on their iPads all day?

Is there an expected time for further government instructions to control this?