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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 14

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usernameishistory · 06/03/2020 01:03

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Wehttam · 06/03/2020 23:44

I’d hit pause on any idea of normality in China right now. They may have signaled back to work but how many have actually done that? Is the internet back on yet? When that happens then we may start seeing how things truly are.

ShanghaiDiva · 06/03/2020 23:44

@peachgreen
Because they implemented very strict measures. Schools were closed anyway for the holiday and have not reopened. My dd has not been in school since 23rd January. The govt shut everything except some supermarkets and pharmacies, compulsory quarantine, legal consequences if you had a fever and did not go to hospital, closure of private clinics...etc etc
These measures have been in place for six weeks.

Jumpingintotheabyss · 06/03/2020 23:48

I've signed petition can someone make it sticky thing on next thread?

ShanghaiDiva · 06/03/2020 23:48

The internet is not off in China - what a bizarre idea!
I have daily contact with people there. There are small changes, but it will be a long time before we are back to normal.
In dh’s company all office staff are all back and the factory did not close at any point.

EnidBlyton · 06/03/2020 23:50

I feel a lot better after watching some of the PHE video.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/03/2020 23:51

"Your expert opinion Is an opinion with no factual evidence."

shanghaidiva An expert in the field is more likely to be correct than an internet random with anecdotal data

  • especially one that is obviously so pro the Chinese regime

Do you support that brutal dictatorship normally, or just in their handling of this crisis ?

tryingtoprep · 06/03/2020 23:52

Is there any update on the drugs China trialled? The HIV and anti malarials? I'm going a bit tin foil hat here but presumably some of these are out of patent. I can imagine pharmaceutical companies might pressure for trials to focus on new expensive drugs. I'm being ridiculous now, I'm sure.

Wehttam · 06/03/2020 23:55

I could’ve sworn the Financial Times ran an article saying they had blocked a lot of VPNs during the crisis... 🤔

BigChocFrenzy · 06/03/2020 23:55

He may be right or be wrong in his judgement, but more likely to be right than an internet random

Wehttam · 06/03/2020 23:58

Bigchoc 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

boon · 07/03/2020 00:03

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ShanghaiDiva · 07/03/2020 00:03

I don’t blindly support the Chinese regime. I have lived there for 12 years and having been to Tibet and Xinjiang province am well aware of the way the govt operates.
I do think the Chinese govt has handled the outbreak in a tough and disciplined manner and this seems to be working. My province has about 600 cases in a population of 70 million. So I am pro strict measures.
After the initial coverup i don’t think they can afford to hide numbers such as 50000 cases per day. I also do think that if there were all these hidden numbers of cases, given the cumulative effect (50000 per day for how long) it would be impossible to hide.
However, as you so kindly point out I am not an expert. Although, having lived in China for 12 years perhaps have a better idea than most as to what happens there...

GPwife2411 · 07/03/2020 00:05

@tryingtoprep - I've been keeping an eye on the trials registers (there's a few of them - repositories where records of planned randomised controlled trials are put so that trials are publicly accountable and report findings whether positive or null). Lots of trials ongoing, following some positive bench-science (in vitro) work that was publicised at the end of Feb. To my knowledge none of the big trials of chloriquine etc. has reported results yet - it is all moving extraordinarily fast in research time (normally takes about 9 months to get ethics permission to even start recruiting!) but it is too soon to know one way or another.

What we can hope for is that a drug shows so much promise that they end up stopping the trial before the end because it would be unethical to continue with placebo ... Having said that, several trials that I have come across are trialling different doses of the same drug as comparators, so there are fewer placebo-controlled trials out there than if this was a less serious situation. Still, I think we have reason to be hopeful that the Gilead drug in particular will help (albeit I am not a fan of that specific pharmaceutical company in more general terms).

It would be great if chloroquine works though as is off patent, cheap as chips and may well be available in some of the poorer countries where this disorder is likely to hit due to its antimalarial role. Unfortunately less of it is being produced than it used to as many types of mosquitos have become resistant to its action - but it is still being made. And, I should add, appears to be largely sold out online!

I am not an expert in this specific area (pharmaceuticals). I have however managed RCTs.

ShanghaiDiva · 07/03/2020 00:07

@Wehttam
A blocked vpn is not the same as the internet being switched off...
Ime of 12 years in China, when one vpn is blocked another appears.

GPwife2411 · 07/03/2020 00:07

I love the fact that I've misspelled chloroquine in that post - good way of demonstrating that drugs trials are not my area!

Wehttam · 07/03/2020 00:11

We can agree to disagree then if you say so.

are you using VPN to access Mumsnet from China now?

mymigraine · 07/03/2020 00:14

Uk blocks vpn too

LarkDescending · 07/03/2020 00:15

Anecdote alert: Chloroquine made me bald. Fortunately not permanently.

ShanghaiDiva · 07/03/2020 00:15

I am back in the uk as could not get back to China after the spring festival holiday.
However, I have never had to use a vpn to access mumsnet in China.

tryingtoprep · 07/03/2020 00:35

Thank you @GPwife2411 That's really interesting, thank you. I hope something is developed soon, and hopefully something affordable for all countries.

Fourducksate · 07/03/2020 00:46

Interesting about the drugs.. we have some anti malaria drugs at home, left over from a trip last year. I was going to return it to the chemist, maybe I’ll hang on to it!

I sincerely hope they find something that helps, although one side of me feels desperately sorry for all those poor monkeys being infected with cv at the moment. ☹️

mymigraine · 07/03/2020 01:14

Well at least they get to chance to be killed after being caged and experimented on all their life for

ofwarren · 07/03/2020 01:46

Hawaii's first case of coronavirus is a former passenger of the Grand Princess cruise ship

ofwarren · 07/03/2020 01:46

South Korea reports 483 new #coronavirus cases and 44 new deaths.

ofwarren · 07/03/2020 01:47

Oklahoma now has a confirmed case of #coronavirus, according to Gov. Kevin Stitt. The patient is a male in his 50s who lives in Tulsa County and recently traveled to #Italy. - CNN