Coronavirus thread 13

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Previous thread here.

We are using Worldometer, BDO and Dr John Campbell videos as part of the discussions.

The government has updated its guidance for travellers who have returned to the UK from Italy in the last 14 days.

This advice applies to the whole of Italy and not exclusively to the northern regions.

For full details, see below 🔽 t.co/i3lM7QX4lb

@OldQueen1969 Effectively wiping out the majority of their voting demographic. And yet, somehow, they'll still get in again next time.

I may be somewhat unsurprised by how this has all moved on in two days

Solves the social care crisis doesn't it...

However, I think they are just useless rather than trying actively to kill everyone over 80.

Dp is due to travel around UK shops next week. Do I make him refuse??

I'm getting really worried now.

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20S1JE?__twitter_impression=true
Dutch, fearing coronavirus, brace for return of 900 students from Italian Alps

The Netherlands, anxious to protect the public from coronavirus, is scrambling to put together a plan for the imminent return of around 900 students from a ski trip in northern Italy, at the heart of Europe's worst outbreak of the disease.

And

"We are working very hard to prepare for all different scenarios," local health authorities spokeswoman Hanneke Mensink said.

These scenarios might include plans to monitor or test all students involved after their return. Mensink said it was too early to say how local healthcare teams would deal specifically with the risk of so many returning from Italy at once

And

During their stay, the Dutch government changed its travel advice for the region, saying any trip to northern Italy should be canceled unless it was absolutely necessary to go.

The local health authorities in Groningen, however, had already warned against the trip before the group left on Saturday, Mensink said. "We told them our worries, but they decided to go anyway. That is their responsibility."

Marked difference in approach with the UK.

Murray so 111 also told him not to self isolate?

I’m afraid I’m just going to say, I think he’s lying because he didn’t want to self isolate.

@onemouseplace probably the same one, at least I hope it is. Means there are less cases that way.

is there any reason not to take our children out of schools now? primary aged DC

Such a hideous situation.

Cases today represent the situation up to a fortnight ago, they don't represent the situation now.

Can people stop saying the government are deliberately letting people die? I know Mumsnet hates the tories but that a new low. He is getting advice from Medically trained people. Honestly, it makes you sound worse than the people you hate.

I do wonder if a lot of cases are being missed. Dd has just finished her second course of antibiotics having been diagnosed with walking pneumonia. She was really quite poorly with it and is still far from being well - at no point were we asked if we had been abroad and testing for corona wasn't even mentioned. not saying she has the virus but would have thought it may have been considered.

2 cases in our county have been announced in the local press today but no indication of whereabouts.

If those who will be worst affected are elderly, affected by underlying health conditions or vulnerable in some other way and "costly" to society, then the government could, if particularly amoral, be prepared to follow the "let nature take its course" route for long term financial reasons.

You're not the only one who is thinking along those lines. Don't tell me no-one in govt hasn't mooted that exact thought. I do think this is being allowed to run, now. I honestly hope I'm wrong, because the consequences will be terrible.

However, I think they are just useless rather than trying actively to kill everyone over 80

I agree.

They are unable to put practical plans in plan because they don't understand detail and Johnson is just plain bone idle.

If parliament shuts down I think that will be a huge signal. Atrocious how they are like “carry on as normal” to the country’s workers but will act to protect themselves and their families.

ofwarren - that has been the guidance for weeks for anyone returning from an infected region such as China. Don't have symptoms - self isolate. Do have symptoms - call 111. They're a bit dopey in introducing Italy into the advice.

OldQueen1969
I'd say you're bang on the money.
My mum is sixty four and immunocompromised, she has quarantined herself and I have taken the kids out of school. The government aren't going to allow us to do anything in timely enough a manner to safeguard our vulnerable members.

The faith peoole have in the government baffles me tbh.

Am appalled I can even think this way and apologise because it does sound tin foil hat even to me

It doesn't to me. This is a particularly vicious, callous Tory government. There's absolutely no way they won't be thinking of the potential economic/political advantage to all this.

It's a terrible time to have people in power who demonstrably don't give one single shit about the poor, elderly or vulnerable.

But it's not like we didn't know what they were when they were cheered to power recently. As it happens, millions of other people didn't give a shit about the poor and vulnerable either.

Having spent the whole afternoon going round and round in circles trying to chase up dds results it appears that no one knows what is going on.
Rang the gp who gave me the hospital number who said ring 111.
111 said they don't have any information so went back to the hospital who didn't even know where the testing was being done!
Went back to the GP and a wonderful receptionist tried her very best via microbiology but to no avail.
4 days and waiting
8 days overall
Have written to my MP.
How do I know that they haven't lost her swabs?

This interview by Vox with a epidemiologist from the W.H.O who visited China to see how China has been experiencing the CV may explain the rationale for why they are not doing more extensive testing yet?

www.vox.com/2020/3/2/21161067/coronavirus-covid19-china

I can't believe they are talking about closing Parliament, but not schools.

It is quite insane.

Backed up by Boris's rather chilling comments this morning, as reported on the BBC: "But Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the government's scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage) had told him that closing schools and stopping big gatherings "don't work as well perhaps as people think in stopping the spread". He told ITV's This Morning programme: "One of the theories is perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease to move through the population without really taking as many draconian measures. I think we need to strike a balance.""

Not sure that sounds very reassuring.

"One of the theories is perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease to move through the population without really taking as many draconian measures."

That'd be the worst case scenario of 80 % infection then.

I wondered how on earth they reached such a high % for worst case,
but I'd hoped that a callous disregard anout mass deaths - of ordinary people - was not one of the options under consideration.

@OldQueen1969 yes and I think they will use this to privatise the NHS.

Charlesthekingcavalier Wake up.

Local paper reporting that a GP surgery in Waterbeach, Cambs has been closed for deep cleaning complete with photos of a person in protective suit/headgear cleaning inside. Surgery hasn’t mentioned why but looks suspicious though.

My dad would be one of those at risk of severe complications if he got it and he is certainly very panicked. A child in DS1s form has been off and awaiting test results after skiing in Italy over half term, but he was in school for the first couple of days before being sent home although hes back in school now. The school rumour mill says he was tested and has tested negative but that actually worries me more because based on the 111 testing criteria that means he must have been in contact with someone who has it else he wouldn't have been tested?

I have a feeling of inevitability about it all now. Its going to spread, there are cases out there that won't know they've got it and more people are going to die. I don't think the government will want to put in the drastic measures needed to stop it until its far to late to do so.