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Coronavirus thread 12

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VivaLeBeaver · 04/03/2020 17:48

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Quartz2208 · 05/03/2020 07:24

Yes severe need oxygen not ventilation (which is the 6% critical and where if you are on it the chances are not good). Oxygen is a fairly common treatment for serious respiratory illness

The other thing is that the strain report (albeit a small sample) indicates that the severe l strain was limited to wuhan and the milder more infectious strain S is on the loose. Wuhan may well end up being different

I agree with Red once you reach a certain age life is far far more fragile. We lost my 89 year old Nan last month to a UTI that became in her antibiotic resistance but someone younger could shake off. My grandad got pneumonia and died from a common cold

ofwarren · 05/03/2020 07:24

Thailand reports four new coronavirus cases, total 47 t.co/QcE5cPPW0J t.co/m26Bg3iYTt

middleager · 05/03/2020 07:25

I spoke to a senior head who wasn't worried at all.

He was so blase and has no contingency. Following DfE advice, which states to keep schools open. He's fine just 'bolting' two classes together (secondary).

I think many are in for a shock. I'm surprised by the lack of contingency planning by any organisation, as DH's firm seem to have a plan.

fedup21 · 05/03/2020 07:27

the Headteacher said that she had carried out her risk assessment and that it is fine for the trip to still go ahead

So, will all of these children and staff need to be self isolating after a holiday to Italy?

kirinm · 05/03/2020 07:27

According to the DM (not sure if it's in any other more reliable sources) but Goldsmiths uni has a student with it. That's just up the road from me - as in, I can walk there in 5 mins. Two overground lines run from the local station and normal rail lines plus lots of buses so I'd imagine we will see a spread in SE London soon.

Jrobhatch29 · 05/03/2020 07:36

If you read about viral pnemonia on existing sites not linked to coronavirus though, it does say the majority can be treat at home.

Fourducksate · 05/03/2020 07:40

Not sure if this has been posted.....

Man talking about his experience of having cv
apple.news/A_ixHPP2zRZCxCpgnToa43Q

frumpety · 05/03/2020 07:41

Is the government giving any figures on the outcomes for those infected ? So of all the people tested positive , how many are managing with home remedies , how many have required hospital treatment ( oxygen, fluids ) and how many have required ICU treatment ?

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2020 07:43

6.1% critical. These patients will die without very extensive hospital care.

A study of critical patient outcomes at a Wuhan hospital stated that 67% of critical patients in the study died. If those patients required mechanical ventilation it went up to 80%. And no one in the highest age groups on ventilation survived. The survives were all in younger age groups.

So the statement that 'These patients will die without very extensive hospital care' is a bit misleading in the sense that if a patient was very old if they became critical it didn't matter how much intervention there was, they were virtually certain to not recover.

Which begs the ethical question of when is it best to let patients die with dignity rather than prolonging their suffering by keeping them alive artificially.

This is a question that unfortunately we probably are going to have to face up to sooner rather than later under the circumstances.

The fragility of life over a certain age when people get even mild illness is something we don't like to talk about because it makes us confront our own mortality and the fact there is a finite limit to what medical intervention can achieve.

This isn't pleasant but the fact we have a population which is more aged than ever before means we have many more who are particularly vulnerable to what ultimately are natural causes.

countrygirl99 · 05/03/2020 07:44

Lumene it's a convenient excuse to avoid parliamentary scrutiny. Boris has already shown he's not keen on that.

pascalesco · 05/03/2020 07:45

Schools are in a difficult place. My school has a residential in the summer term. The total cost is around £60k. My head will happily cancel/postpone if there is no/minimal financial cost. However we have just handed out 12 redundancy notices to staff due to crippling budget cuts. We've already had some parents asking for a refund, the only way the school could take on that loss is by making further staff cuts.

Sassenach85 · 05/03/2020 07:46

It seems the survivor stories all needed medication of some sort, what would this be?

Letseatgrandma · 05/03/2020 07:46

Parliament might shut for months?!

As long as the schools are open though...

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Jenasaurus · 05/03/2020 07:46

regarding the school trips would the school perhaps consider requesting that it is delayed, even if an administration fee, is that not preferable to going ahead at this current time, it will cause anxiety for parents while the children are away and again when they come back if they have so much as a cough.

Jenasaurus · 05/03/2020 07:48

letseatgrandma that was my thought on this, its a case of "im alright jack" (love your user name btw, At first I thought it was lets seat grandma then I re read it :) )

Jenasaurus · 05/03/2020 07:49

I suppose we wont hear from people with the really severe or critical cases as they are probably still very unwell and not up to blogging or reporting anything

woodencoffeetable · 05/03/2020 07:51

dc are supposed to go on a camping trip with school in june.
so far it is still going ahead.
we shall wait. it's a no cost trip (camping in own tents) thanks to pta.

GrizzlebumsMum · 05/03/2020 07:52

My husband is due to be travelling to Uganda at the end of this month for work but his managers on the ground out there are saying that there are 500 cases in quarantine. I don’t think I’ve seen that on any official reports but I’ll confess to not having read all the threads. It’s been confusing me how Africa appears to be relatively untouched by this.

WaterSheep · 05/03/2020 07:53

Have we heard anything else about the 9th UK case?

This one

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51481469

QueenofmyPrinces · 05/03/2020 07:53

Queen If I was one of the staff going I'd tell the Head "I will if you will"

I did wonder if staff were allowed to refuse to go or whether they were obligated to.

I certainly wouldn’t be going!!

One of my colleagues is off to Italy in two weeks and is adamant she is still going. Considering we are both children’s nurses working with babies I would have assumed there would have been an issue with this, I.e her not being allowed back in work for 2 weeks, but nothing has been said to her.

Jenasaurus · 05/03/2020 07:58

If I end up one of the unfortunate ones to be infected, I will post regular updates if I am able, it would be one way mumsnet could help each other, although I hope no one on here actually gets unwell.

ofwarren · 05/03/2020 08:06

Bosnia and Herzegovina confirms first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2bjB9j

BlueBirdGreenFence · 05/03/2020 08:07

I think a lot of organisations are hoping if they take a hands off approach staff, attendees etc will make the decisions for them. No one wants to say I'm making you stay home but not willing to pay you.

Delatron · 05/03/2020 08:11

I was wondering about the 80% mild figure and didn’t think it stacked up with what we were hearing with young people getting pneumonia, which I think is not mild!!

Everyone walking round saying ‘oh it’s just like a mild cold for most. ‘ It really isn’t. If 40% get pneumonia then that is far more serious than ‘just a cold’.

Spacecadetagain · 05/03/2020 08:12

I would never want to get pneumonia again . I had it back in 2005 in a well documented MN thread due to my exh refusing to take me to hospital as my condition deteriorated. I had seven days of a searing temperature and at one point was coughing up blood because of the constant coughing . I had to sleep sitting up. The unbearable muscle aches were horrific . As the temperature went I was still unable to get my breath and actually started to feel confused in the following week which was when I went to hospital . So even if I got a version of this that didn’t render me in hospital I’m not exactly cracking open the party poppers about it