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Worried about coronavirus part 11

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GPwife2411 · 03/03/2020 19:29

Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3837712-Worried-about-coronavirus-part-10?pg=10

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

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Cremebrule · 03/03/2020 21:29

I’ve just watched the press conference in full and it is much better listening directly to the chief medical and scientific officers than the press reporting. It makes me far more reassured that there are people that do clearly know what they are doing in charge behind the scenes. It’s still quite bleak but not headless chicken bleak.

ShanghaiDiva · 03/03/2020 21:30

@crispycracker
I am concerned too as I am now back in the uk and experiencing the whole scenario again. Dd’s School has been shut since January and we have no plans to go back to China at the moment.
I just want to pull the duvet over my head for the next three months.

NMe8961 · 03/03/2020 21:30

I am massively concerned about the plans for schools that I've seen!

Whoever in the world has decided it would be a good idea to increase class sizes and combine children from different schools?! Both plans would raise serious safeguarding concerns even outside of a pandemic scenario.

Containing only students in "immediate friendship groups" is also frankly ridiculous. Primary school students are in close contact with the entire class including their teacher and secondary school students move all about the building interacting with many many other students throughout the day. I just cannot even fathom who has come up with these ideas and how they think any of that would work...

On another note, some schools don't have the basic equipment to follow the NHS advice of catch it, bin it, kill it. Surely a simple step to be taken this week could have been to issue specific advice/resource to schools around having tissues, soap, and hand sanitiser available. AFAIK schools haven't not been specifically directed to do this...

Blueberryham · 03/03/2020 21:31

I just had a look at the comments in the DM and the vast majority seem to think it is media scare moungering and not anything to worry about. How can people think this ?

AvocadoOwl · 03/03/2020 21:31

Earache isn't a CV symptom though is it @OhDearWhyAmIFatterly?

BilboBercow · 03/03/2020 21:32

Well trying to buy hand sanitiser today has been a real eye opener.
Instead I've ordered rubbing alcohol to mix with aloe gel and tea tree oil.
Yes I know handwashing is more effective but I still would like to make up bottles to carry in mine and dds bag

Ciwirocks · 03/03/2020 21:32

If the measures in school got that bad I would remove my kids to be honest and I think a lot of other people will as well

HasaDigaEebowai · 03/03/2020 21:32

Does anyone know what happened with those who have returned from the tenerife hotel? Have they just been released back into the community or are they self isolating? I don't understand why they were not sent to the quarantine centres

Thetigeronthewobbelboard · 03/03/2020 21:33

Sorry I really can’t keep up on everything but could someone outline to me what measures Germany is taking? Have they stopped large scale events? Is there any indication as to what they are likely to do going forward?

I’m due to give birth at the beginning of May and my husband is due in Germany for a trade show at the end of May. I’m just thinking ahead really. I know that things can and will change but I’m just wondering what the general approach is in Germany.

OhDearWhyAmIFatterly · 03/03/2020 21:34

@AvacadoOwl, you're right but general flu like symptoms, high temp and a cough are?
What's the harm is just asking the question?
I'm fairly certain, that there are plenty of people who have the virus who don't know and are unwittingly passing it around. Especially if a simple question is being missed by health professionals....

AKAanothername · 03/03/2020 21:37

If there have been approx 90,000 cases and approx 3,000 deaths why is everyone saying it has a 1-2% death rate. Surely, from the published stats it's 3%+? Is the assumption that lots of cases have gone unreported?

crispycracker · 03/03/2020 21:37

@Furfockssake @ShanghaiDiva
wha age are your kids roughly? mine are in junior and one has 11 plus coming up in september :-(

It really angers me that people keep talking about this as if it's seasonal f#cking flu

CrunchyCarrot · 03/03/2020 21:38

Does anyone know what happened with those who have returned from the tenerife hotel? Have they just been released back into the community or are they self isolating?

My understanding is that they were told to self-isolate until the 9th of March.

SansaSnark · 03/03/2020 21:38

@Thetigeronthewobbelboard The German ministry of health is providing updates here daily: www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/press/2020/coronavirus.html

So far, they haven't banned large scale events. However, the situation is likely to change a lot between now and May!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/03/2020 21:39

Just to correct a figure up above.TB in 2018 killed on average 4100 people a day, not 49,000.
www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis

AvocadoOwl · 03/03/2020 21:39

@ShanghaiDiva do you think you will look to head back to China before it all kicks off here?

I can only imagine how fed up, stressed, and exhausted you must be Sad

Furfockssake · 03/03/2020 21:40

My DS is 10 - I just couldn’t ever forgive myself if I put him in a situation where he got seriously ill. We can camp at home for as long as it takes and I’m intending to miss as much of the peak time as I can - if only to ensure that should we get ill we wouldn’t be needing health care at the peak time.

SansaSnark · 03/03/2020 21:41

@AKAanothername As medics get a better idea of how to treat the illness, the death rate has come down quite a bit- I believe the 1-2% is based on the current death rate in China and modelling outcomes for those who are currently sick.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 21:47

32 cases of #Coronavirus in the #Netherlands now

jmcg2015 · 03/03/2020 21:47

On BBC news just a few mins ago, 3.4 is the current rate, but expected to be actually close to flu levels as a lot of people who got better or unaffected

YoursTunbridgeWells · 03/03/2020 21:48

@RedToothBrush writes well and makes several valid points whether or not you agree with them. In my case, I tend to.

From the above

The reality is at this point, unless we isolate ourselves from the rest of the world in a draconian fashion, that whilst coronavirus is epidemic anywhere we are going to face that too. And the reality is it is not feasible nor realistic to separate ourselves from the rest of the world. Hence all the fuss about no deal brexit last year. We simply do not produce enough food for our own population and we need revenue from exports.

and

That's what political communication is all about. Preparing and conditioning the public to accept certain ideas and messages.

These resonate. Genuinely it's no good if the UK works exceptionally hard and somehow manages to do a better job on containment than France, Germany etc. Beacuse we simply cannot shut our borders, it will just be brought in one way or another. We cannot be a stand alone Island anymore. We rely on goods manufactured all over the world. That could never realistically change completely, though I think when this has calmed down, there will follow a period of reflection on supply chains,imports and exports.

And regrding messages, there is also a need to keep people carrying on. Mass panic is far more dangerous for the country. If panic buying cannot be controlled and there is civil unrest or "food riots" , I can see some vulnerable people will starve unless considerable effort is deployed rationing food and on civil enforcement of compliance. The reality is we are facing a reduced police force, the army will be potentially required to manage key logisitics, possibly build field hospitals, keep utilities going (I don't know just conjecture).

Taking manpower away from other key roles to manage civil unrest due to panic is to the population's detriment. It could impact on health services which will be vitally needed.

ShanghaiDiva · 03/03/2020 21:49

@crispycracker
My dd is in year 9 so not a crucial year for her thankfully.
@AvocadoOwl
Not heading back yet as school not open and other services eg restaurants just starting to open with reduced opening hours. You are right: I am completely fed up and with everything we have had to manage over the past few weeks (changing flights, avoiding quarantine, online learning for dd, being separated from dh) i am constantly surprised that my head has not exploded!

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 03/03/2020 21:49

The WHO meeting today is well worth a watch. They said that the contain, research, mitigate all happen at the same time and that some Chinese provinces have gone from single case to cluster to epidemic and back to single traceable cases again. They are researching all the time. The serological surveillance data from 25 countries currently underway will help make the picture clearer. Mitigation included forward planning to reduce bad outcomes.

There was a change in tone today, to prepare people for likely social distancing measures. They have to deliver bad news in a way people can process. This will improve compliance with quarantining etc.

Spacecadetagain · 03/03/2020 21:51

The Tenerife people have to isolate until the 10th I think which was their original quarantine date in Tenerife

Wehttam · 03/03/2020 21:54

Evening All. What a day, newswise...

Hopefully the ‘just the flu’ brigade have taken onboard the severity of the situation we are potentially facing now that BoJo has FINALLY started to reveal what’s to come. I felt announcing the police dealing with serious crimes was a green light for petty criminals but hopefully this isn’t the case, feel free to enlighten me how this could be managed.

Redtoothbrush your post just above is spot on. I agree with your original thought too and absolutely didn’t think it was unfounded. No use mending the gate when the horse left weeks ago.