To be worried about coronavirus part 9

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A new thread - will delete if another one is around, I can't see any.

Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3836309-To-be-worried-about-Coronavirus-Part-8

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert edited by MNHQ at OP's request

Also, another point. I really would like a temporary rule to allow people with coughs and fever to work at home. In my company, it's very easy to work at home, but there are always a few people coughing badly in our open plan office since December. It just passed around. Why not management just say please work at home in such situations? Not only this Covid 19, but also the other flu virus. Government should put more thinking on those sort of details to contain the virus and give firm guidance to school and companies regarding how to reduce the chance of spreading.

I do worry government think it is impossible to stop spreading, then just put attention on the emergency plan to deal the outbreak, but missed the opportunity to contain and delay it.

@ontopofthesunset A lot of people have pre existing conditions. We can't all avoid crowds. Not without that being official advice that we can pass onto employers. At the moment because the public message is that this is no worse than flu, I would be seen as over reacting if I said to my employer I did not want to come into work.

Also the stuff about over 60's avoiding public places, I have seen this nowhere except on MN.

The public message seems to be - don't worry, no worse than flu, wash your hands. I want more information. So am I likely to get it anyway whatever I do and the wash your hands message is simply to slow down its spread so the NHS can cope? Or do I have a realistic chance to avoid it altogether? The answers to those questions could help me decide what to do.

@alloutoffucks
@hoolydooly I got it from multiple sites that said no one younger than 10 has died from the virus. I assumed that to mean someone age 10 had died, but I may have been wrong to do that.

Yes, I certainly can't find anything about a death in a 10-year-old, only that the next range in the age groupings is 10-19 and that the rate in that group is 0.2% as compared to zero in the 0-9 age group.

@hoolydooly I suppose it doesn't matter the exact age. The point is more that young children will likely have it very mildly, and teenagers are at low risk of it being more serious.

Today at work colleagues coughing and spluttering without putting hands over mouth, some back from Wembley football match, colleague returning from overseas visit.

How can we contain this when not all workplaces take it seriously and when it's a joke to some?

Told my colleague that her online order must have been cancelled due to high demand and she was gobsmacked at the 'insanity' of people 'panicking' and that the flu killed more

She seemed to have no idea what was going on, yet works in HR!

Also, I think the so called handwashing campaign is not good enough. What campaign?

The message isn't getting across.

@alloutoffucks
I was just shocked by the news a 10-year-old had died as I had heard nothing about that. I don't know if anyone did die in the 10-19 age group or if this is just a theoretical risk. Can't find any info at all, so I don't know (assuming there have been deaths) if the patients had underlying conditions.

Wish people would give the government a chance. It’s only 40 cases so he won’t go overboard. I know this is a leftie echo chamber but there’s no way Corbyn’s Labour would be doing any better

1 in 25 risk serious illness. healthy adults and healthy children who do contract/ show symptoms

(over 10)

Someone in Newbury has apparently been diagnosed, at Vodafone HQ.

The message about the over 60s was in a statement by the WHO chief, not PHE. No one can tell you personally if you will get the virus or not. It depends who you spend time with and whether they have it. The only way anyone could guarantee they wouldn't get it would be by living alone and never going out or meeting anyone who had gone out for the next few years. The highest estimate that I've seen is about 60% of the population getting it, but obviously they won't all get it at once.

I don't think these decisions are easy for anyone. Lots of people in at risk categories commute and can't just stop doing it. I think the measures are really aimed at reducing and slowing spread, not stopping it.

@hoolydooly No one has died in Britain. These are worldwide statistics. The older you get the more at risk you are. There must have been young children with underlying conditions who had it, but none have died.

I admit I thought there would be a lot more than 4 additional cases.

Crufts statement that it is still going ahead

www.crufts.org.uk/press-releases/the-kennel-club-statement-on-coronavirus/

Cases in China could well be falling due to the fact they actually managed to lock down the cities. It will be interesting to see if things change.

@Ontopofthesunset "I think the measures are really aimed at reducing and slowing spread, not stopping it."

I agree and actually if we can do this, would consider it a success. As long as the hospitals aren't overwhelmed we can ride this out.

I’ve just returned from my local Morrisons . Shelves bare of things like sanitary protection . Toothpaste . Paracetamol . Calpol. All liquid hand wash gone plus anti bac gel . Lots of things like tins of food etc all shelves virtually empty . Basically essentials and storage cupboard food are all virtually gone . 😳

@Charlesthekingcavalier I am not making this a Labour/Conservative issue, and you have no idea how I voted.
But you must know that Johnson's shtick is a bumbling fool act. Of course that does not work in a real crises.

MORE: WHO's Tedros says we are in 'uncharted territory' and we have never seen before a respiratory pathogen capable of community transmission but it can be contained with the right measures t.co/iGnawHXygh

It’s only 40 cases so he won’t go overboard.

Its quite evidently not only 40 cases though. As shown by this thread the government are burying their head in the sand regarding who they will test. The fact the official total only stands at 40 is irrelevant. The reality is a quite different picture.

In the last 24 hours, there were almost nine times more #coronavirus cases reported outside China than inside, WHO's Tedros says t.co/RVIx411hdS

The message that seems to have got out to people is this is no worse than flu, but you might need to self isolate so stock up on food.
The Government kept repeating that this virus is no worse than flu, and that is not true. But I see and hear people repeating that everywhere.

I've been dipoing in and out of this thread all day with interest.

Just done an online shop with tesco, loads of delivery slots and the only thing they were out of was eggs weirdly. I got slightly more stuff for the freezer and some long life milk. We are in a small northants town, nothing reported here yet.

Just popped into said Town, Waitrose was stripped bare of paracetamol, hand-wash, hand gel. Boots had basic ibuprofen and paracetamol but no hand gel. I got calpol and kids ibuprofen for DS 2yrs just in case as I've none in.

My main concern is the risk DH, he's the poor sod flying all these people round Europe. Multiple flights daily. Just the standard handwashing advice and reduction in some routes but not much else from his company.

Trying to be practical and logical but concerned. We have no family support (both our DM's elderly and are on immunosuppressants). Just concerned for DS should either myself or DH be ill. Who will care for him? DH could well end up in isolation elsewhere too.

I did 5 days self isolation alone with DS last year as he had chicken pox, I was quite we myself but it was still tough.

Grounding more flights seems a logical thing to do globally.

Those asking about sick pay, it is something I’ve had to look into for DH’s business.

HR have said if people are sick, obviously they should be paid. Self isolation is trickier, as ideally an employer should pay - they would advise he does, but there is no legal precedent.

Problem for his company is it is to do with travel and the clients are stopping travelling and another part of the business is also affected - too outing to say what. However, he has to still pay for the vehicles, even if they sit there and for the staff, even if they have no work, but of course there is no income coming in!

It will only take a month or two before outgoings exceed incomings, then we are in deep 💩. If the company crashes, over 150 people are unemployed.

Also, he has provided all customer facing staff with masks - just in case as they have contact with overseas travellers and wipes/gels/sprays. It has cost just under £900 to do this as it’s ‘medical grade’.

It’s making me sick to think about it. It really is a disaster for the business.

So, whilst you are saying about companies paying people who are off, you need to be aware of the bigger picture, should he pay those who ‘chose’ to be off, but don’t ‘have’ to be?

@all**@alloutoffucks@hoolydooly No one has died in Britain. These are worldwide statistics. The older you get the more at risk you are. There must have been young children with underlying conditions who had it, but none have died.

Yes, I know they are worldwide statistics and that children are generally at very low risk. I was just shocked earlier when you said a 10-year-old had died, that's all, regardless of which country. And was then musing about whether there had been any deaths in that age bracket. Deaths outside China as usually quickly followed by details that the patient was elderly and/or had an underlying condition, and - as far as I am aware - there have been no deaths in children mentioned. So I wonder if there have been none, or if they happened in China and we didn't hear about it.

Tunisia reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL