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To be worried about Coronavirus part 7

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Jenasaurus · 29/02/2020 08:07

As nearly full on the other one, Ill just leave this here and link to it on the other thread for when its full

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3834698-To-be-worried-about-the-Coronavirus-Part-6?pg=10&messages=100

This video from lovely Dr John Campbell, is very informative and in part reassuring he has suggested a lower CFR of 1% based on the figures he is constantly analysing

Here is a link to Worldometer Map for live updates

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

and here is another link for news sources from BNO News.

bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

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Ephe17 · 29/02/2020 18:21

red raw paws now.

Anyone recommend a really good hand cream/antidote to this please?

Moisturise hands liberally. Put nitrile gloves on. Leave overnight.

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 29/02/2020 18:22

Yes, I thought the pilot had only started very recently so wasn't expecting it to be turning up cases yet.

Parker231 · 29/02/2020 18:22

@FelicityFebruary - why? I have to go to work - I don’t get a choice so have to fly tomorrow. Of course I’d rather stay at home but this week I’m working in the US.

How is panicking going to help me?

Dennisreynoldsduster · 29/02/2020 18:24

What is everyone doing about hospital appointments? Got one for baby DS end of March. It’s non urgent but still important but it’s london and we will have to take him on public transport. Not thrilled about it tbh

MaxNormal · 29/02/2020 18:25

It appears that people can become reinfected after recovering, so there's no immunity being built up

Tbf we don't know this, the tests are not 100% reliable so it's still thought to be down to that.

Shopgirl1 · 29/02/2020 18:26

Coronavirus death in Washington State USA now being reported.

Shopgirl1 · 29/02/2020 18:26

Sorry, missed it was already noted!

Sakura7 · 29/02/2020 18:28

@MaxNormal Yes, which it why I said "it appears". As I said in my post, there's much we still don't know about this virus.

usernameishistory · 29/02/2020 18:29

You didnt say that, you were rude.

The alternative to travelling is not travelling

The alternative to panic is calm.

Calm decision to not travel, or panic! Dont travel... different things, see?

No need to be rude about it.

Rosie2000 · 29/02/2020 18:30

My primary children have also been taught how to wash their hands using Happy Birthday. I have a year 11 dd and I’m a secondary teacher. If my school closes I will Skype (or similar) my classes for home. I haven’t heard at school anything about what happens if school closes. We have finished our subject content and are now revising in lessons but most subjects are still teaching the specification content. These next few weeks are critical for year 11. Ours don’t go on study leave at all.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 18:31

NEW: France reports 27 new cases of coronavirus, or 43 new cases so far today, raising total to 100 t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Jenasaurus · 29/02/2020 18:33

watch live as Trump is about to do a press conference

bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/president-trump-holds-press-conference-on-coronavirus/

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DonkeyKong2019 · 29/02/2020 18:33

So its taking off in France then

Notonthestairs · 29/02/2020 18:37

Parker231 I'm not sure anyone has instructed you to panic.
This thread is just a discussion. You can take from it whatever suits you.

I read to keep an eye on events. I'm making small adjustments here and there. I try to be alert to anything which might impact my family/community and zone out anything which is unsubstantiated or where I believe a poster may have an agenda or has just visited the thread to sneer at the concerns of others. It's not difficult.

Dusty01 · 29/02/2020 18:37

Is the test specifically for Covid19 or all coronaviruses? I would expect it was for Covid19, but another poster made me question this.

Also - if someone's already had a coronavirus (but not this one) I wonder whether they'd have any extra immunity to the Covid19 version ...

EmmaBridgewater20 · 29/02/2020 18:39

Anyone travelling on public transport - these are my top tips from commuting days -

#1 don’t touch fkin anything

#2 elbows for buttons

Refuse receipts if buying anything

Hand san after buying anything

Use and old receipt or tissue over your finger to press ticket machine buttons - that then goes in nearest bin, or if you’re in the car into footwell - clear this out every few days with rubber gloves on and give a good spritz of the Dettol aerosol

Take your coat off as soon as you get in everywhere. Spray your coat sleeves with Dettol aerosol every night

Get changed as soon as you get in, clothes go straight in wash basket

Hand gel, hand gel hand gel

Try not to eat whilst commuting

Stand in the vestibule if it’s a relatively short journey - if the train was busy I much preferred to stand for my 20 min journey

Wash your hands as soon as you get into work/get home

janemaster · 29/02/2020 18:39

@Dennisreynoldsduster If it is your baby you are worried about, I wouldn't be. This seems to cause no more than a mild cold in babies. So even if he caught it he would be fine.

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 18:39

France reports 100 cases of #Coronavirus (total)

justchecking1 · 29/02/2020 18:42

I don't like the sound of the new Canadian case with a travel history to Egypt. Either the Egypt travel is a red herring, or Egypt have a far bigger issue than the one recovered case they're reporting.

wheresmymojo · 29/02/2020 18:44

@ofwarren

I know the council will refuse though as they go by PHE guidelines and they currently state there is only very low risk.

The PHE have actually sneakily updated their website to say 'moderate' risk now.

It was updated some time yesterday apparently (noticed by a keen eyed Redditor).

LaBelleSauvage123 · 29/02/2020 18:44

Why are cases going up so quickly in Italy and France?

DonkeyKong2019 · 29/02/2020 18:45

@labellesauvage123 cases tend to rise exponentially once you have multiple people spreading.

RedToothBrush · 29/02/2020 18:46

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/upshot/coronavirus-surprise-medical-bills.html#click=t.co/ElV2DnlkEQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/upshot/coronavirus-surprise-medical-bills.html#click=t.co/ElV2DnlkEQ
Kept at the Hospital on Coronavirus Fears, Now Facing Large Medical Bill

Frank Wucinski and his 3-year-old daughter, Annabel, are among the dozens of Americans that the government has flown back to the country from Wuhan, China, and put under quarantine to check for signs of coronavirus.

Now they are among what could become a growing number of families hit with surprise medical bills related to government-mandated actions.

Mr. Wucinski, a Pennsylvania native who has lived in China for years, accepted the U.S. government’s offer to evacuate from Wuhan with Annabel in early February as the new coronavirus spread. His wife, who is not an American citizen and remains in China, developed pneumonia that doctors think resulted from Covid-19, the disease caused by the respiratory virus. Her father, whom she helped care for, was infected and recently died.

The first stop for Mr. Wucinski and Annabel was a two-week quarantine at Marine Corps Station Miramar near San Diego. During that time, they had two mandatory stays in an isolation unit at a nearby children’s hospital. The first started upon arrival in the United States, and the second was a few days later, after an official heard Annabel coughing.

“The hospital staff were very nice, they brought us a lot of toys,” Mr. Wucinski said. “Each time it was three or four days. I love my daughter to death, but being in the same room that long, she is not a great conversationalist.”

Both have repeatedly tested negative for the virus.

After their release from quarantine, Mr. Wucinski and his daughter went to stay with his mother in Harrisburg, Pa. That’s where they found a pile of medical bills waiting: $3,918 in charges from hospital doctors, radiologists and an ambulance company.

“I assumed it was all being paid for,” Mr. Wucinski said. “We didn’t have a choice. When the bills showed up it was just a pit in my stomach, like how do I pay for this?”

Mr. Wucinski’s employer, a standardized testing company, did provide health benefits when he lived in China but does not offer coverage in the United States.

Patients in the United States regularly confront surprise medical bills that are hard to decode. Mr. Wucinski’s case suggests that those held in mandatory isolation for suspected coronavirus may be no exception.

The federal government does have the authority to quarantine and isolate patients whom officials believe to be a public health threat. These powers, which date back to cholera outbreaks among ship passengers in the late 19th century, are rarely used. They don’t say anything about who pays when the isolation happens in a nongovernmental medical facility — or when they’re brought there by a private ambulance company.

While the number of patients held in mandatory isolation is currently small, it is likely to grow if the coronavirus continues to spread across the United States. Eleven cases were confirmed in San Antonio on Friday evening. Earlier in the day, public health authorities identified a second case in California and a first in Oregon where patients who had not traveled to an affected country became infected.

A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spokesman declined to comment on whether it would pay the bills of patients kept in mandatory isolation.

Mr. Gostin worries that high charges for mandatory isolation could make patients wary of seeking needed medical treatment.

“The most important rule of public health is to gain the cooperation of the population,” he said. “There are legal, moral and public health reasons not to charge the patients.”

These hospital stays could prove expensive. The International Federation of Health Plans estimates that the average day in a U.S. hospital costs $4,293, compared with $1,308 in Australia and $481 in Spain. They may be especially costly for patients without health insurance or those who have large deductibles, which they must pay before their health benefits kick in.

Mr. Wucinski recalls other patients asking questions about how medical bills would be handled during daily town hall meetings for those quarantined at the Marine Corps station. He felt the answers weren’t clear.

He did receive a document upon leaving quarantine, directing him to contact a government email address with any medical bills. He sent an email on Feb. 24 detailing the charges and asking what would be done.

“My question, is why are we being charged for these stays, if they were mandatory and we had no choice in the matter?” Mr. Wucinski wrote in his message.

His email has not yet received a response, he said. When contacted by The New York Times, a Rady Children’s Hospital spokesman said that the bill from their physicians had been sent in error and that the family would not be held responsible for the charges.

“We’re in the process of assessing how the error occurred,” the spokesman, Benjamin Metcalf, said. “We are working with government agencies regarding billing for these cases.”

But the hospital bill only represented a fraction of those the family received.

The ambulance company that transported the Wucinskis, American Medical Response, charged the family $2,598 for taking them to the hospital. A company representative declined to comment on the bill “due to patient privacy concerns,” but said the company would look into the case.

An additional $90 in charges came from radiologists who read the patients’ X-ray scans and do not work for the hospital. Having such doctors, who may be outside a patient’s insurance networks, provide services to hospital patients is one of the major causes of surprise medical bills.

The radiologists’ employer, San Diego Medical Imaging Group, did not respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Wucinski is looking into whether he or his daughter might qualify for Medicaid, the public insurance program that covers low-income Americans. Some news outlets have seized on the fact that he coughed enough on a recent television interview to require water.

Mr. Wucinski recently noticed that his daughter is blinking a lot and hopes to get the issue examined by a doctor, but is worried about the charges they may face. He has wondered whether the stress of the past month and the separation from her mother has played a role.

“I should take her to the doctor this week for a checkup, but we don’t have insurance, so it’s just going to have to be cash,” he said.

tinytemper66 · 29/02/2020 18:47

I have heard that if schools close for a few months then they will just not have summer hols and GCSEs will just be postponed Apparently

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