To be worried about the Coronavirus Part 6

[Jenasaurus]

Old thread here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3833553-to-be-worried-about-coronavirus-part-5

Checking in!

They did hold a coronavirus cobra meeting back in January, but it was chaired by the health sec.

Is the virus taking the weekend off, then?

First time I have had a look at one of these threads..wow!

I can't help thinking you are whipping each other up into a frenzy..I mean posting in capitals for dramatic effort..it's like the sky news ticker at the bottom of the screen.

There were a couple of sensible people of R4 Today programme just after 8:30 this morning, calling for a much better and transparent conversation with the public - sharing of information and plans should the need arise. So people are assured there is a plan and when/why, and what people need to focus on. Also there needs to be reassurance that people will not be financially harmed if we need to have a shut-down for a short period to get on top of an outbreak in the UK - BJ could shake his magic money tree.

The WHO’s mission to China to look at the outbreak has just published their report. www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf Interestingly they conclude children don’t seem to transmit it or suffer it at anything like the adult rates so in theory keeping them on at schools shouldn’t be too much of a problem. Mind you these figures are based on transmission within families at home, from what I can tell, so how they would be within schools is unknown as all the schools were shut during this period, I believe.

Also, if all the teachers go down with it, they'll have to shut anyway.

I know someone mentioned upthread about poss link to effecting male fertility, more reason for not wanting children to get it despite it been mild.

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There are many adults in schools though.

The teachers who returned from North Italy with my son

The blase office manager in our office who returned from Tenerife on Tuesday and joked about her cough, before whacking the air con up!

The visiting theatre group, the lunchtime supervisors, site team, the clubs who use the facilities, the parents...

Even if the children don't spread it, the adults could.

My dh has received an email saying that one of the Europe offices at his work is closing and to expect further announcements about working from home in the near future.

I run a sporting business and if we have to close for two months (which is the length of time they're talking about closing schools and music and sporting events for) I would literally go bankrupt.
I am assuming I'd still have to pay rent, business rates, staff costs, software costs, accountancy fees all the costs of running a business before I've even thought about paying myself.

It's really frightening I could lose everything I've worked for years and years building just when I was finally getting somewhere.

It's all very well people saying 'don't panic' but not everyone is in the same situation.

For those saying that the government should be doing something - what do you think they should be doing? They are hardly going to close all schools which would mean parents being off work as well.

If they shit schools a lot of children, like my dd2 will not be able to do GCSEs/ A levels

Shut *

@ofwarren

• The good thing about older children SirVix is that they are generally more hygienic that the young ones. Less likely to cough in each others faces or wipe snot on their hands or hold hands or put things in their mouth. My 17 year old is at college and he takes his handgel and gets fully changed when he comes home*

Unfortunately a lot of teenagers think it’s all a lot of crap that the oldies are being utterly OTT about and are deliberately coughing & sneezing in each other’s faces to prove how ‘not bothered’ they are and are just hoping school gets closed down 🙇🏻‍♀️

Your DS is probably less blasé because he’s seen what your younger DS has been through & knows how bad it would be for him to catch it. Thank god he’s so sensible.

I’ve been wondering about getting changed when I get home, but doing so 3-4 times a day is going to wear thin, make a ton of washing and I’m not sure how much it would help. I travel by car or by foot not PT. I’ll up the Dettol spray in the car & be more careful about what I’m leaning on when out though.

Frankly I’d quite like to spray sanitise the house and anyone going in or out, quit working & stay home!

The more I’m doing, the more I realise there’s more I’m not doing, or can’t do 😖

@furrytoebean I agree. I risk losing all I've worked so hard for. It's a sobering thought.

I'm not exactly sure what it is that people expect the government to do. You can't ask over 60 million people to stay indoors. And if schools are closed would it mean that children aren't allowed to leave their homes? What about their parents?

If you watch the Neil Ferguson video - he thinks there are thousands of cases in both Italy and Iran and that the CFR is likely to be around 1%.

The tracing of contacts is only feasible up to a point. Then we need community measures - stay at home with colds, possibly closing schools, social distancing measures - avoid contact in wider society, eg resturants and shops to be avoided,. Question about the sustainability of long term lockdown.

Re: UK - currently containment measures.

Yeah that's true @AmelieTaylor he is sensible because he's always had to be

Ffs cobra to meet on Monday! I know no one likes a Friday afternoon meeting but this is a health crisis. This government are beyond a joke 😡

Also if they shut schools that has serious implications for the healthcare workforce who will need to take time off work to look after their kids.

And the rest of the workforce of course.

In some cases it will be appropriate but a blanket closure of schools would be a massive deal.

The guy I'm sitting next to in my office is coughing his guts up...go home dickhead!!

will employers pay for parents to stay home for childcare though?

This is the situation:

• PHE (public Health England) is being complacent in the face of WHO statement that countries need to be 'aggressive' in containment policies. This is worrying.
• WHO believe it can be contained but that everyone needs to work to that end - follow hygiene guidelines and hold public organisations to account.
• 'Fear' is an enemy of procedures - not just yours but the government's too. 'Fear' induces catatonia. Do not be fearful - question the organisations that should be dealing with this. For example, a GP returning from an infected zone in Italy found little advice or guidance from the UK authorities. Bring them to book. Rather than worry: question your schools, public bodies and the government. If they are doing their job there is little to fear. If they're not...
• there is a remarkable absence of transparency. The UK government is more worried about the economic implications of the disease in its negotiations for leaving the EU.
• Encourage openness about travel, transparency in government etc. Is the public being advised to the same extent as government ministers and employees - do they know something we don't? It appears so. For example: my wife works for an Italian company. The 'executive' received travel advice 2 weeks before the current status in Italy became publicly available. Where is Boris?
• Do NOT have confidence in the UK Government - Matt Hancock is clearly out of his depth. PHE is complacent. Use your own judgement. You will feel more in charge, safer and less paranoid.
• Good luck!

Does anyone know of any first hand written accounts of being infected? I know there's loads on YouTube but I was looking for a written one.
Thanks

Not sure whether this is the best place to post this, but my 10 year son is due to go on a school trip to Normandy, France, in a few week's time. They are travelling by coach not plane, and I know that so far France hasn't been as badly affected as Italy, but I'm starting to feel a bit worried. What do you think the chances are of the trip being cancelled? Impossible to say I suppose as it will depend on how infection numbers rise here and in France...

@furrytoebean I'm worried sick as well. DH is self employed in the events industry and I'm not working due to health. It all feels very precarious all of a sudden.