Is the green party starting to regret it's association with Islamists?

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The green party, ostensibly about climate protection and general progressive values seems to have gotten into bed with Islamist sympathisers and the amount of anti semitism and basic hatred of their own country is now obvious.

The green party now at least locally are known as a party that has sympathies towards all manner of Islamist causes including Hamas's objective to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.

Wouldn't be surprised if they produce a motion declaring climate change a Jewish conspiracy........

No they didn't. They said the Quran was rewritten.

You’re just lying now. You’re the one who introduced the word “rewritten” - the poster never said that at all.
You even quoted her yourself:
"Some Qurans and other literature they give to children now even replace word Israel with Palestine".

Crazy that this is happening in the UK.

Israel did not start the massacres, kidnappings and sexual violence on 7/10/23.

Their citizens were the victims of Hamas atrocities.

Some Qurans ........................even replace word Israel with Palestine.

That is a claim it is rewritten.

History did not start on October 7th 2023.

I have heard it yes, you said it had changed recently so I want to know what you think it's changed to. I said all this upthread.
Do you know what a cognate is?

No it didn't.

That in no way excuses what Hamas did on 7/10/23.

I repeat that Israel were the victims on that occasion, and no attempts to deny/distract changes that fact.

It hasn’t been legally ruled a genocide.

You saying that you’ve never heard a perpetrator claim to be the victim sort of proves my point about the obsessive, hyper-focused view of Israel. You seem to see Israel as the sole aggressor. Why are you ignoring the aggression from the Palestinian side?

The current war started because of the October 7th mass slaughter and hostage-taking, and that came after decades of constant rocket fire, suicide bombings, and terror attacks targeting Israel’s civilians.

Why are you leaving all of that out? Historically, any country enduring that level of targeted violence would retaliate.

They were. Hamas claimed they gave instructions to only attack the military and even invited the UN to investigate. The fact that Hamas attacked civilians means they crossed the line from resistance to terrorism which makes them no better than the IDF.

Naturally, it depends on how you define “massacre,” but some nasty stuff definitely happened. The precise nature of what happened in Deir Yassin has been hotly debated inside Israeli society for many decades now. Nobody denies that there was violence, but the question is violence of what kind. To heroically oversimplify, one side claims that it was a one-sided massacre of women and children who barely fought, and the other side claims it was a hard-fought battle against Arab irregulars who posed a threat to nearby Jewish settlements conducted according to the laws of war in every respect.

I gave you one translation and then asked you to translate an Israeli chant. Why won't you do it?

My god you’re shameless. You can only make it look true by cutting sections out of the sentence.

Whereas you said “They said the Quran was rewritten” which you KNOW is not what she said.

So you literally lie, but cherrypick sections of what someone else said to pretend they said something else.

Which is a classic demonstration of a straw man argument - something you were accused of doing just now.

So there’s that I suppose - you’ve proven that you resort to straw men and the poster who thinks you’re great obviously doesn’t have clue what straw men even are!

Because I have no idea what Israeli chant you're referring to and I don't speak Hebrew.

I didn't ask for a translation, by the way. I asked for a transliteration which if you have lost access to Google means the sounds of the Arabic words in Roman letters.

If it was just a normal battle I wonder why Ben Gurion felt the need to apologise and distance himself from it. Very strange. More likely it is another attempt by Israel to rewrite history in order to detract from its atrocities. I suppose Hind Rajab was actually a top Hamas commander too.

Oh well, if Hamas say so. Were they looking for military targets at a music festival and amongst sleeping families in their beds? Such an easy mistake to make!

Exactly who was it they gave those 'instructions' to who then failed to listen? Was it their own highly trained commandos who systematically filmed their atrocities on GoPros, or the thousands of Gazan civilians who enthusiastically crossed the breached border to join in?

As for claiming Hamas 'crossed the line into terrorism' – they didn't cross a line on October 7th, they have been a proscribed terrorist group for decades. Trying to frame them as a legitimate resistance movement that just 'went too far' in order to draw a false equivalence with a national army is just another transparent attempt at deflection.

I gave you the quote as a transliteration of Hebrew. Why don't you use google and tell us all what the Israelis regularly chant in English.

Hamas didn't know the music festival was going to be there. Its location had only been moved to just outside the point where Hamas broke through, as detailed in Jericho Wall, two days prior.

The most “neutral” and detailed account is that in Milstein’s 1991 history of the 1948 war, which fortunately has been translated into English. In it, he denies there was a massacre, while also admitting that some prisoners were murdered and many civilians killed with explosives during the fighting; he also claims that military-age males were a distinct minority in the overall casualties.
Precisely how many prisoners need to be murdered to qualify as a massacre is, of course, unclear.
On the other hand, he argues that the accusations of rape and mutilation of pregnant women was most likely the product of atrocity stories spread by Palestinian leadership, citing medical examinations.
One thing he emphasizes, however, often missing from other accounts, is that Deir Yassin was far less unique than has been has emphasized. 1948 was a brutal war, with many atrocities committed by all sides, including the Haganah; it’s really not difficult to find civilians and prisoners being murdered.

Arabic accounts, such as those by Walid Khalidi and Sharif Kan’ane, of which Khalidi’s is the most comprehensive (but has never been translated) are based on extensive eyewitness testimony, and they note two important things.
Firstly, they corroborate Milstein’s claims about a lack of rape or mutilation, and they also confirm that the total number of dead was only just above 100; the claims of 250+ dead have no basis in fact.
They do however also corroborate many of the claims made about executed prisoners, as well as those of robbery by Zionist forces and expulsion of the survivors. A detailed demographic breakdown of those dead also shows that only 40% of the dead were men between 18 and 60; the remainder being women, children, and older men, some of whom do seem to have fought back. Khalidi also admits that Arab notables exaggerated the atrocities for propaganda purposes.

Ah, but then it was there and Hamas and their civilian supporters stumbled across thousands of unarmed youths and thought, ‘Oh, we might as well’?

And the kibbutzim, they didn’t know about those either, right? Despite in some cases even being guided by Gazan day-labourers who had previously worked inside those very communities?

Most people realise that Israel intends to eradicate the Palestinians in the present

Antisemites are desperately trying to frame it this way by constantly claiming the blood libel of “genocide” but actually most people recognise that Israel could have killed every Palestinian by now if that’s what it actually wanted to do.

Read this in the Independent today. And it reminded me of you lot. It’s time to move on.

“many Israelis simply aren’t engaging with the general election, and the need for change.
The last person to be judicially executed in Israel was Nazi official Adolf Eichmann in 1962, hanged for genocide and crimes against humanity. But Netanyahu’s government has just passed hard-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir’s new death-penalty law, solely for Palestinians who are convicted of terrorism. And yet moderate, centrist-liberal Israelis read about it, take a bite of their avocado toast and scroll down.
With the Death Penalty for Terrorists Law now on the statute, gallows have been shown being built on Israeli television. Some take to the streets in protest. Too many, however, simply reach for the mute button.”
“News stories that ought to bring down a government keep coming at a flabbergasting rate. In July, the minister for environmental protection reclassified Nile crocodiles as "cultivated wild animals" in order that Ben-Gvir could fill a moat around a prison holding Palestinians with deadly reptiles. "This is cartoon-villain cruelty," my Israeli friend Tomer said.
This coming election will determine whether she and her young family stay or emigrate. "Our government is filled with bloodthirsty bullies who only know how to scream. But even worse," she continued, "they have too many slick advisers writing fascist laws every day. At this rate, I'm not sure what will be left of this country. If they win again."
Those of us who have the privilege to do something about Netanyahu's government have a moral obligation to use our votes before Israel's democracy dissolves further. Don't wait for the next catastrophe to ask why more of us didn't act while we still could.”

Excerpt From
“Voices: I fear Israel isn’t finished with Benjamin Netanyahu”
Yaniv Korman
The Independent
https://apple.news/APwjl8vqjQ6SY_-ktk2rZWQ
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Did you? Where?

True. Which proves the point that there was no reasonable military goal to Hamas’ Oct 7th attack - they just wanted to maximise the killings of civilians. The very definition of a crime against humanity.

Yup. I think that is exactly what happened. At no point did I deny they attacked civilians which makes them terrorists in my eye. An undeniable atrocity. Whether Hamas leaders did or didn't give instructions not to attack civilians is irrelevant. They did. What we don't know however is how many of the victims were as a result of the Hannibal directive which Yoav Gallant admitted was used.