Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.OrlaNdo memorial

The government's decision to sanction Israel, a democratic ally in the ME, surely is a reward to all those that have spouted Jew hate on our city streets. If the government is willing to distance itself from Israel won't this be seen as further motivation for the radical Islmist left to continue their campaigns in the UK. It's a shameful moment and it will take a lot to rebuild relations with Israel.

So believing that Israel should exist is a bad thing, and most Jewish people believe this bad thing. And the only person you know who thinks there should be a state of Israel is your unplesant conspiracy theorist uncle.

Yeah that's loads better.

I think that this announcement by the, of course, all powerful and influential UK Government has certainly heartened Hamas and Co who have been fighting a propaganda war against Israel since Oct 7th.

I find it hard to understand why people haven't put it together.

The flood of 'settler violence' by masked men took off after interest in the war in Gaza started to wane. I'm not denying there ISN'T violence toward Palestinians in the West Bank but I do believe it is massively over inflated, there is a lot propaganda without evidence and what true violence there is, is often retaliation for attacks on Israelis. Again something not to be condoned although i don't see why Israelis are held to a higher standard than Palestinians.

I follow some Israeli 'settlers' on X and the situation is not as it's been painted at all. There are daily attacks on Israelis from Palestinians. Hamas and the various other Palestinian groups are also in the West Bank so quite why people try to say there are no terrorists there is beyond me.

Take the hiking incident a few months ago, a hiking group comprised of young to elderly hikers were doing a regular Friday morning hike that took them around the perimeter of a Palestinian village. It's alleged that a dog was loudly whining as it was caught in an inhumane trap and some of the hikers went to release it while the others stopped nearby. It is believed this was a deliberate ploy to get them to stop near the village as Palestinians then came out armed with rocks and started throwing them. The clash then resulted in a Palestinian (who was apparently Sheikh of the village) grabbing the gun from a Israeli security guard which he was not pointing at him, and killing two Israelis. 4 Palestinians were then killed in return fire. How was this reported in MSM? As 'settler' violence.

Just today a Jewish shepherd was attacked by a Palestinian mob, giving him serious injuries, and his flock stolen. There will not be a report in the MSM. There are countless reports of cattle stolen, poisoned, arson, rock throwing, knife attacks etc.

Also countless videos of Western and Israeli activists deliberately antagonising and pushing around shepherds, some of them just teenage boys. One was grabbed by the neck.

It's pretty basic human nature for people to retaliate and try to defend themselves, except when it comes to Israelis it seems.

Even the language, 'settlers', is specifically designed to dehumanise Jews, majority born, and living and working on their land. The fact that Western Governments use that terminology is shocking. It's the same as Zionist IMO.

I don't blame any Israeli who does not support a 2 State solution. It would be suicidal. No sane Israeli Government, which has a responsibility to the safety and security of it's citizens, should support it either. No Western Government would if it was in their back yard.

We should, quite frankly, get to fuck in trying to tell Israel what to do and I think they should totally cut ties with our irrelevant little country which has become a total embarrassment, and a cowardly appeaser of a massive contingent of imported antisemites which has emboldened the native antisemites to come out from under their stones too.

You could do the research though. Its not hard to find the evidence that most Jewish people are zionists, or to spend a bit of time looking at the history and practice of Judaism to know that Israel is so important.

And of course being anti-zionist is antisemitic.

Oh gosh why has this not been in the news. Your telling us that these poor people are just trying to peacefully be shepherds of their stolen flocks on their stolen land and Palestinians are being mean to them as they go for little hikes and try to save animals. The videos we've seen of 'shepherds' killing donkeys, beating the shit out of old ladies and laughing as they point their guns at people are all just because they are being goaded by 'activists' as the poor young shepherds try and defend their new animals on the land they stole last month, really they love animals, old people and peace and are just defending themselves.

Perhaps those 'imported antisemites' in the UK should take some lessons from the peaceful Israeli shepherds, cut power and water to some villages, set fire to some homes and take some land and some flocks for themselves and live good honest lives, hiking in armed groups of 60 saving the lives of animals. Then people like you will welcome them to Britain and defend their right to go about their business. If they lived more like these peaceful Israeli shepherds then there would be no yelling about invaders and stopping the boats, instead the people of Britain would welcome them with open hearts and minds. You should drop the @s of these peaceful shepherds that you follow on twitter, it sounds like we could all learn a lesson in humanity from them ❤️

How so? Because it’s anti-Semitic to disagree with a Jew?

Obviously not.

This was long overdue. I applaud it.

You must have missed my post earlier, plus the other posts on this thread contradicting this.

earlierhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/sep/09/senior-uk-rabbis-come-out-in-support-of-sanctions-on-israeli-settlements

The fact that you deem the UK to be “an irrelevant little country” suggests to me that the rest of your post is likely to contain similar misrepresentations of the situations you describe.

No, it’s antisemitic to disagree with the 80% of Jews who support zionism. It’s not antisemitic to disagree with the 20% of Jews who don’t support zionism (who are all antisemites presumably)

or something like that ….

Ffs. They aren’t “siding” with anyone. They are saying stop committing genocide. Most people agree with that.

@OpenScroller ,

You write very well for someone who is so unfussy about your sources.

‘I think that this announcement by the, of course, all powerful and influential UK Government has certainly heartened Hamas and Co who have been fighting a propaganda war against Israel since Oct 7th.’

The UK is still a lot more powerful in the World than Israel in every way bar militarily. And there isn’t much left of Hamas to be disheartened, which I do think is a good thing.

As for propaganda, I think the Israeli government is a lot better at it than Hamas. They have a paid lobby as well as being experts in the use of social media to spread propaganda.

‘I follow some Israeli 'settlers' on X and the situation is not as it's been painted at all. There are daily attacks on Israelis from Palestinians. Hamas and the various other Palestinian groups are also in the West Bank so quite why people try to say there are no terrorists there is beyond me.’

Of course, what settlers post on X should be taken as the truth?! And that is if they are even settlers and not part of the Israeli propaganda machine. If you really believe that settlers are the ones suffering, why don’t they open up the West Bank to journalistic scrutiny. But I think you know why…

What you are doing in your post is known as DARVO (deny, attack and reverse victim and offender).

What do you think of the statements of Smotrich and Ben G’vir? They have pretty openly called for ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.

Is it shocking to use the term ‘settlers’? How is it dehumanising? The settlers often refer to themselves using a Hebrew term that translates as settler or pioneer. It is a neutral term and, by definition, only refers to human beings.

The facts here are pretty clear. It took a lot to get a fair chunk of the western world to get to these sanctions. It is hard for some of us to believe that a country like Israel would take steps down the road to fascism. It is totally anathemic to liberal Judaism, and yet…..here we are.

Israel used to be famed for its free media. Look how far it has drifted down the indices of people who rank these things.

It definitely is if you say hateful things about zionists without knowing what a zionist actually believes and the relevance to why they believe in it

If people are just using the word for a safe alternative to saying Jews, hate speech or to try and shame someone without knowing anything about zionism then yes they are just prejudice against Israel or/and Jews in general

The fact some people still don't understand that in these cases there antizionism is definitely antisemitism amazes me. It has got rather tiring at this stage too.

It is Jew hating to spout stuff about Jewish beliefs when you don't know anything about said belief and haven't done any research

Disagreeing with a Jew is not the issue

Jews disagree with Jews

1. Would you make ill informed statements about any other groups beliefs

1. Would you cast a sweeping statement about any other group in general

Those are the questions only you can ask yourself because when the majority of Jews believe in zionism can you not see why people may feel you just don't like Jews rather than be making a statement about Israel politics etc

I find it rather tiring that people are pretending that anti-zionism always means “believing the state of Israel should not exist” rather than what it is usually used to mean, “opposing the actions of zionists”.

But that is what it means. You can't just rewrite the definition of words to suit yohr narrative.

It has never meant opposing the actions of zionists. A zionist just believes in the self determination of the Jewish people. A zionist could be a thief. Their thieving would be bad. Their zionism would not.

Well, Zionism is believing there should be a Jewish state, specifically where it is now. For me, there is a state of Israel, and it is where it is, and personally I think it should continue to exist, so therefore I am a Zionist.

I do not think the state should expand by taking over more land etc, it should stay within it's borders, according to whatever treaty applies.

If I was anti Zionist, then I would believe in the opposite of that,

I think language and definitions matter. And the title of this thread is an example.

"Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists "

It looks very much to me that the word " Islamists " is intended as some sort of slur. And we are all familiar with that.* *What it actually means is someone who follows Islam. But some people conflate it to mean other things. And it is wrong to do that. So to me, Zionism should be given the same respect.

If that makes sense.

@LandLaser and @SharonEllis I disagree with you both.

It is a technique used to try to make a complicated situation seem simple and as if criticism of zionism, as it currently manifests itself, is inherently antisemitic.

The best analogy I can think of is people who say “How can you be anti Antifa? Antifa literally means anti-fascist. You must be a fascist to oppose Antifa”.

Quote "“How can you be anti Antifa? Antifa literally means anti-fascist. You must be a fascist to oppose Antifa”."

I say that. And that makes me antifa. I am anti fascist. But that does not make me some sort of antifa protestor or activist. Just because people are trying to use "antifa" as a slur, does not change what it actually means.

The same way the word Zionist, does not automatically mean armed settlers taking over Palestinian land.

No you cant wrap everything up in the banner of antizionism. The only thing zionists agree on is the existence of Israel. There is no 'current manifestation of zionism'. If you object to a particular government policy you say so. Be specific. There is no legitimate motivation in trying to tar all zionist Jews with the same brush.

If you want to stop the complication as you put it them stop using the word zionist, especially if you don't know what the word or belief actually means

It really is that simple

Rather than the very tiresome for everyone "zionist this and zionism that" talk straight about what you mean. Israeli government, Israeli politicians, settlement supporters and settlers etc. Anything else just make people look like they want to say Jews but are hiding it.

Really no reason for people to keep up the evil Z stuff apart from to wind up others or hide their own prejudice for fear of being called out on it or other consequences of racist rhetoric eg site bans, losing job or even possible arrest if promotions physical action against a minority group in the UK

Oh and this

Antifa is not a belief it's an organisation. What you're doing is saying that environmentalism is bad, and when people question you on it you say "stop pretending that environmentalism is about protecting the environment when it actually means engaging in eco-terrorism". Except in this case there's a particular ethnic group who mostly believe on environmentalism that you're smearing.

It's nothing less than gaslighting. It's twisted.

I don’t understand your point I’m afraid. Who is using Antifa as a slur? Antifa call themselves Antifa.