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Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists

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mids2019 · Yesterday 06:25

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.OrlaNdo memorial

The government's decision to sanction Israel, a democratic ally in the ME, surely is a reward to all those that have spouted Jew hate on our city streets. If the government is willing to distance itself from Israel won't this be seen as further motivation for the radical Islmist left to continue their campaigns in the UK. It's a shameful moment and it will take a lot to rebuild relations with Israel.

Chief Rabbi and Tory leader react furiously to Labour sanctions

Britain's Chief Rabbi said a trade ban on Israeli settlements in the West Bank was 'truly a dark day for British Jews'.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.html

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BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 20:58

mids2019 · Yesterday 06:25

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.OrlaNdo memorial

The government's decision to sanction Israel, a democratic ally in the ME, surely is a reward to all those that have spouted Jew hate on our city streets. If the government is willing to distance itself from Israel won't this be seen as further motivation for the radical Islmist left to continue their campaigns in the UK. It's a shameful moment and it will take a lot to rebuild relations with Israel.

Imagine trying to get a victim angle out of this one. Anyone can see what the settlers are like and how they behave.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · Yesterday 21:07

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · Yesterday 20:43

Given what the US and allies (including us) did in Afghanistan after a handful of attacks, I can't see how we can criticize Israel for reacting like this to Gaza after not the worst atrocity they committed, but the years of attacks beforehand.

I really don't like Netenyahu. But even he isn't on the same level of evil as Hamas. Not that the leaders of Hamas are in Gaza any more of course - they provoked a predictable reaction then scarpered, leaving the poorer people to suffer the consequences.

I wish Israel would stop now - in fact I wish they'd stopped a long time ago. But the heaviest blame for the suffering in Gaza lies with Hamas.

Our government should be siding with the only country in the region which is a genuine democracy and gives its citizens decent rights, not with a group of people so violent that their Muslim allies and neighbours try to avoid letting them in.

Our government should be siding with the only country in the region which is a genuine democracy and gives its citizens decent rights, not with a group of people so violent that their Muslim allies and neighbours try to avoid letting them in.

That’s a bit of a strange statement. I mean we all know the scale of deaths in this conflict and what proportion have been inflicted by Israelis on Palestinians and vice versa. Yet it is the Palestinians you characterise as “so violent.”

Do you not consider the killings of men, women and children by Israel as violence?

user1471453601 · Yesterday 21:15

Am I alone in raising an eyebrow when a seemingly first time poster posts quite contentious post and then doesn't return to the thread?

It makes me wonder what their intentions were in posting when they appear not to want to engage in discussion.

VoiceFromThePit · Yesterday 21:18

OP you speak nonsense.

JacknDiane · Yesterday 21:25

user1471453601 · Yesterday 21:15

Am I alone in raising an eyebrow when a seemingly first time poster posts quite contentious post and then doesn't return to the thread?

It makes me wonder what their intentions were in posting when they appear not to want to engage in discussion.

@mids2019 isn't a first time poster at all. You must have missed the many many threads on the conflict in gaza whilst it was ongoing. @mids2019 was ferocious in their support of the Israeli government.

JacknDiane · Yesterday 21:30

Im guessing they haven't came back as their trusted allies somehow have missed this thread and the majority here don't agree with them. Usually the pro Israeli government contingency are all over these threads with their never ending cries of antisemitism if you so much as show a shread of sympathy for the people of Palestine or the west bank.
Im just wondering where they all are?

StopMeStopMeStopMe · Yesterday 21:47

user1471453601 · Yesterday 21:15

Am I alone in raising an eyebrow when a seemingly first time poster posts quite contentious post and then doesn't return to the thread?

It makes me wonder what their intentions were in posting when they appear not to want to engage in discussion.

Definitely not a first time poster. I think it’s more likely that the replies haven’t been what OP was hoping for and maybe she’s not got an answer to people’s criticisms of her post.

TooMatchaMatcha · Yesterday 22:33

This is actually a useful litmus test for whether pro-Israel posters and commentators have any ethical compass whatsoever. Anyone opposed to this can safely be ignored on the Middle East altogether.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · Yesterday 22:45

TooMatchaMatcha · Yesterday 22:33

This is actually a useful litmus test for whether pro-Israel posters and commentators have any ethical compass whatsoever. Anyone opposed to this can safely be ignored on the Middle East altogether.

Good point. It’s pretty stark isn’t it? Absolutely nothing to do with the survival of Israel or safety of Israelis and completely unjustifiable behaviour. If people are defending settler violence and condemning our government for taking a stand against it, their moral character is plain to see.

dustabsorber · Yesterday 22:54

Why can't we just be Brits together, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu and
atheist and leave the foreigners to it?

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 23:06

StopMeStopMeStopMe · Yesterday 19:09

Latest YouGov poll - 52% of Britons approve of the government's decision to ban the import of goods from contested Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

So only 33% completely agree according to that. I am actually surprised thought judging by the comments you seeit would be more. Seems like the British public majority are not totally in line with Red Ed about this.

Genuinely very surprising

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 23:10

dustabsorber · Yesterday 22:54

Why can't we just be Brits together, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu and
atheist and leave the foreigners to it?

Think the average brit does exactly that

Government and a smallish number of people not so much

StopMeStopMeStopMe · Yesterday 23:30

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 23:06

So only 33% completely agree according to that. I am actually surprised thought judging by the comments you seeit would be more. Seems like the British public majority are not totally in line with Red Ed about this.

Genuinely very surprising

It’s 33% completely approve and 19% somewhat approve, total 52% approval

versus 10% completely disapprove and 7% somewhat disapprove, total 17% disapproval.

3 to 1 in favour of those with an opinion

I’m not sure how you are interpreting that as the public not being in line with the sanctions.

What on earth is going on with the Reform voters though??? They’ve been listening to Richard Tice, haven’t they? Well, and Farage of course.

marlboro · Yesterday 23:42

We don’t hate Jews. We hate the genocide and want it to stop. I support the government with this. Not supporting genocide isn’t antisemitism

caringcarer · Yesterday 23:43

Labour have a history of being anti Semitic.

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 23:47

StopMeStopMeStopMe · Yesterday 23:30

It’s 33% completely approve and 19% somewhat approve, total 52% approval

versus 10% completely disapprove and 7% somewhat disapprove, total 17% disapproval.

3 to 1 in favour of those with an opinion

I’m not sure how you are interpreting that as the public not being in line with the sanctions.

What on earth is going on with the Reform voters though??? They’ve been listening to Richard Tice, haven’t they? Well, and Farage of course.

I said 33% completely approved which is what that shows. The other 19% it says somewhat because they apparently only approved some aspects of it or something like that.

Really don't pay attention to what reform voter do. Farage old hat already anyway but people are using local votes and surveys to protest the government and green politics. Kemi seems to have got very popular with the average person but that doesn't show up on surveys at moment. A percentage won't vote Tory again even if they like what she says above Farage and also some because she is a black woman.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · Today 00:24

caringcarer · Yesterday 23:43

Labour have a history of being anti Semitic.

In what way are the sanctions anti-semitic? The sanctions are in response to the illegal actions of the settlers terrorists and the Israeli government’s failure to deal with them. Are you suggesting that the UK should never take action against Israel because it’s a Jewish state? So, whatever it does, no response because any reaction is antisemitism? Why should Israel being a Jewish state remove it’s legal and moral obligations?

Are these prominent Israeli jews who welcome the sanctions antisemitic?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/09/israelis-welcome-uk-sanctions-on-settlements-palestine-west-bank

‘It’s a good start’: prominent Israelis welcome UK sanctions on illegal settlements

Ed Miliband’s intervention was ‘inevitable’ after Israeli government and security failures, say former ministers and diplomats

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/09/israelis-welcome-uk-sanctions-on-settlements-palestine-west-bank

Bringemout · Today 05:21

I think it was a bloody stupid thing to do, not in britains interest and a sop to the people Labour thinks they may lose to the Greens and the Gaza MP’s. It is not serious politics, it reflects badly on Labour in terms of forethought, I think it’s exposed how utterly stupid they are. The British consulate is how we co-ordinate training of the PA, some NGO work, expect further consequences to British functioning through Jerusalem and on British intelligence co-operation (for example the Hezbollah plot which involved 3 tons of ammonium nitrate, I dread to think about if they hadn’t been found). It demonstrates how stupid they are, you can’t run a country on vibes. Andy Burnham’s statement about standing with the underdogs demonstrates how stupid he is, being smaller or weaker doesn’t make you automatically right, the Taliban were the underdogs, who thinks they were right?

There is no Genocide, the ICC have clearly stated they don’t have the evidence required to say it is. It’s brutal war but a country has the right to respond when it’s civilians are raped, mutilated and murdered. Unfortunately for Gaza Hamas does use civilian sites and has dug tunnels under Gaza which they use to launch attacks, all of that makes them legitimate targets. The reason Gaza looks like it does is specifically because of the tunnels, Israel is not unreasonable to want those gone given the cost inflicted on them by their use. Both Hamas and Israel are being looked at for war crimes. This doesn’t make the suffering of Gazans any less important but there is no getting around the fact that when you do what Hamas did then your group fully deserves to be stripped of the ability to do it again. Israel has no obligation to allow itself to be attacked, it’s first obligation is to it’s own security, it’s the most basic responsibility of a government, to secure it’s borders from threat (something which the fools leading Britain don’t seem to understand).

Having said that British Jews should not be grouped automatically with Israel. I understand why any Jewish person would feel this way about how Israel is being treated and I agree it’s all bloody stupid for probably different reasons. However you can’t disconnect British Jews from Israel when it comes to harassment etc (which I abhor, I think a lot of the pro Palestinian people are frankly disgusting in the way they behave towards and speak of Jews) and then reconnect them when it comes to actions the British government takes against Israel.

British Jews are obviously invested in the wellbeing of Israel for good reason and Jewish people are not a block but I think it’s difficult to make the argument simultaneously.

The basis of this sanction isn’t consistent with our attitudes towards other countries like northern cyprus which is occupied. It’s sloppy dog whistle politics with no substance and it will harm Britain and Palestinians more than it will harm Israel BUT and it pains me to say this because I believe Jews have experienced the worst overt racism I have seem directed at any group in the UK in recent history but I’m not sure it helps British Jews to link this with anti-semitism.

BTW I do think the left are bit too comfortable with islamists, I don’t get why they don’t understand that brown men can also be utter facists as well, they seem blind to whats going on. The number of idiots cheering on people like the Houthis while never no idea about how Yemenis have fled from them or what they are doing is bewildering to me. Or cheering on Iran while they mow down and repress their own people, or cheering on Hamas who as soon as the ceasefire was declared started shooting Gazans (they literally kidnapped two women the other day). Ì have literally spoken to people who want Iran to win so they can keep on funding the “resistance”. They would hold tens of millions of people across multiple countries hostage because they have such an unhinged hatred of Israel.

RedTagAlan · Today 06:27

Bringemout · Today 05:21

I think it was a bloody stupid thing to do, not in britains interest and a sop to the people Labour thinks they may lose to the Greens and the Gaza MP’s. It is not serious politics, it reflects badly on Labour in terms of forethought, I think it’s exposed how utterly stupid they are. The British consulate is how we co-ordinate training of the PA, some NGO work, expect further consequences to British functioning through Jerusalem and on British intelligence co-operation (for example the Hezbollah plot which involved 3 tons of ammonium nitrate, I dread to think about if they hadn’t been found). It demonstrates how stupid they are, you can’t run a country on vibes. Andy Burnham’s statement about standing with the underdogs demonstrates how stupid he is, being smaller or weaker doesn’t make you automatically right, the Taliban were the underdogs, who thinks they were right?

There is no Genocide, the ICC have clearly stated they don’t have the evidence required to say it is. It’s brutal war but a country has the right to respond when it’s civilians are raped, mutilated and murdered. Unfortunately for Gaza Hamas does use civilian sites and has dug tunnels under Gaza which they use to launch attacks, all of that makes them legitimate targets. The reason Gaza looks like it does is specifically because of the tunnels, Israel is not unreasonable to want those gone given the cost inflicted on them by their use. Both Hamas and Israel are being looked at for war crimes. This doesn’t make the suffering of Gazans any less important but there is no getting around the fact that when you do what Hamas did then your group fully deserves to be stripped of the ability to do it again. Israel has no obligation to allow itself to be attacked, it’s first obligation is to it’s own security, it’s the most basic responsibility of a government, to secure it’s borders from threat (something which the fools leading Britain don’t seem to understand).

Having said that British Jews should not be grouped automatically with Israel. I understand why any Jewish person would feel this way about how Israel is being treated and I agree it’s all bloody stupid for probably different reasons. However you can’t disconnect British Jews from Israel when it comes to harassment etc (which I abhor, I think a lot of the pro Palestinian people are frankly disgusting in the way they behave towards and speak of Jews) and then reconnect them when it comes to actions the British government takes against Israel.

British Jews are obviously invested in the wellbeing of Israel for good reason and Jewish people are not a block but I think it’s difficult to make the argument simultaneously.

The basis of this sanction isn’t consistent with our attitudes towards other countries like northern cyprus which is occupied. It’s sloppy dog whistle politics with no substance and it will harm Britain and Palestinians more than it will harm Israel BUT and it pains me to say this because I believe Jews have experienced the worst overt racism I have seem directed at any group in the UK in recent history but I’m not sure it helps British Jews to link this with anti-semitism.

BTW I do think the left are bit too comfortable with islamists, I don’t get why they don’t understand that brown men can also be utter facists as well, they seem blind to whats going on. The number of idiots cheering on people like the Houthis while never no idea about how Yemenis have fled from them or what they are doing is bewildering to me. Or cheering on Iran while they mow down and repress their own people, or cheering on Hamas who as soon as the ceasefire was declared started shooting Gazans (they literally kidnapped two women the other day). Ì have literally spoken to people who want Iran to win so they can keep on funding the “resistance”. They would hold tens of millions of people across multiple countries hostage because they have such an unhinged hatred of Israel.

Seems odd to post all that, and miss what the sanctions are actually about.

The sanctions are about illegal settlements that are being built in the West Bank. Nowt to do with Gaza or Hamas.

And it was Israel ordered the UK consulate closed. Not the UK.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 06:33

SpottyPyjama · Yesterday 06:33

The government is not siding with islamists, that is a ridiculous statement to make.

It is taking a stance against genocidal maniacs on behalf of innocent children and families. It has taken too long for this government to acknowledge Israel’s brutal wrongdoings and a few sanctions doesn’t go anywhere near far enough.

This. It's also hardly the only country to which the UK applies major trade sanctions or embargos.

Russia, Syria, Iran Belarus, North Korea, Myanmar, Sudan and South Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Venezuela Zimbabwe are examples of others. Several of those are Muslim countries.

RedTagAlan · Today 07:21

Bringemout · Today 05:21

I think it was a bloody stupid thing to do, not in britains interest and a sop to the people Labour thinks they may lose to the Greens and the Gaza MP’s. It is not serious politics, it reflects badly on Labour in terms of forethought, I think it’s exposed how utterly stupid they are. The British consulate is how we co-ordinate training of the PA, some NGO work, expect further consequences to British functioning through Jerusalem and on British intelligence co-operation (for example the Hezbollah plot which involved 3 tons of ammonium nitrate, I dread to think about if they hadn’t been found). It demonstrates how stupid they are, you can’t run a country on vibes. Andy Burnham’s statement about standing with the underdogs demonstrates how stupid he is, being smaller or weaker doesn’t make you automatically right, the Taliban were the underdogs, who thinks they were right?

There is no Genocide, the ICC have clearly stated they don’t have the evidence required to say it is. It’s brutal war but a country has the right to respond when it’s civilians are raped, mutilated and murdered. Unfortunately for Gaza Hamas does use civilian sites and has dug tunnels under Gaza which they use to launch attacks, all of that makes them legitimate targets. The reason Gaza looks like it does is specifically because of the tunnels, Israel is not unreasonable to want those gone given the cost inflicted on them by their use. Both Hamas and Israel are being looked at for war crimes. This doesn’t make the suffering of Gazans any less important but there is no getting around the fact that when you do what Hamas did then your group fully deserves to be stripped of the ability to do it again. Israel has no obligation to allow itself to be attacked, it’s first obligation is to it’s own security, it’s the most basic responsibility of a government, to secure it’s borders from threat (something which the fools leading Britain don’t seem to understand).

Having said that British Jews should not be grouped automatically with Israel. I understand why any Jewish person would feel this way about how Israel is being treated and I agree it’s all bloody stupid for probably different reasons. However you can’t disconnect British Jews from Israel when it comes to harassment etc (which I abhor, I think a lot of the pro Palestinian people are frankly disgusting in the way they behave towards and speak of Jews) and then reconnect them when it comes to actions the British government takes against Israel.

British Jews are obviously invested in the wellbeing of Israel for good reason and Jewish people are not a block but I think it’s difficult to make the argument simultaneously.

The basis of this sanction isn’t consistent with our attitudes towards other countries like northern cyprus which is occupied. It’s sloppy dog whistle politics with no substance and it will harm Britain and Palestinians more than it will harm Israel BUT and it pains me to say this because I believe Jews have experienced the worst overt racism I have seem directed at any group in the UK in recent history but I’m not sure it helps British Jews to link this with anti-semitism.

BTW I do think the left are bit too comfortable with islamists, I don’t get why they don’t understand that brown men can also be utter facists as well, they seem blind to whats going on. The number of idiots cheering on people like the Houthis while never no idea about how Yemenis have fled from them or what they are doing is bewildering to me. Or cheering on Iran while they mow down and repress their own people, or cheering on Hamas who as soon as the ceasefire was declared started shooting Gazans (they literally kidnapped two women the other day). Ì have literally spoken to people who want Iran to win so they can keep on funding the “resistance”. They would hold tens of millions of people across multiple countries hostage because they have such an unhinged hatred of Israel.

Sorry for the 2nd reply to your post. I had a look for the International court of Justice advisory opinion on West Bank settlement. And here it is, from July 2024.

Advisory Opinion of 19 July 2024 (icj-cij.org)

Because it is 80 pages long, I wont try to hunt out the bits that apply here, but we can look at this Times of Israel article on it, and pick out their summary.

World Court: Israeli presence in East Jerusalem, West Bank is illegal and must end | The Times of Israel

That article has the same date as the ICJ document, and it says

"In a conclusive and unambiguous decision, the International Court of Justice declared in a non-binding ruling Friday that Israel’s 56-year long rule in “the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967” is “illegal,” and that it is obligated to bring its presence in that territory to an end “as rapidly as possible.”
In its decision, the ICJ said it determined Israel’s policy of settlement in the West Bank violates international law, and that Israel had effectively annexed large parts of the West Bank — along with East Jerusalem, which was formally annexed and designated as sovereign Israeli territory in 1980 — due to some of the apparently permanent aspects of Israeli rule there.
The legal consequences of its findings, the court ruled, were that Israel must end its control of these areas, cease new settlement activity, “repeal all legislation and measures creating or maintaining the unlawful situation” — including those which it said “discriminate against the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory” — and provide reparations for any damage caused by its “wrongful acts.”"

This is what the UK sanctions apply to. Because instead of even acknowledging what the ICJ say, Israel are just going ahead and clearing more communities out, and building more of these illegal settlements. On another nations land.

caringcarer · Today 07:24

StopMeStopMeStopMe · Yesterday 23:30

It’s 33% completely approve and 19% somewhat approve, total 52% approval

versus 10% completely disapprove and 7% somewhat disapprove, total 17% disapproval.

3 to 1 in favour of those with an opinion

I’m not sure how you are interpreting that as the public not being in line with the sanctions.

What on earth is going on with the Reform voters though??? They’ve been listening to Richard Tice, haven’t they? Well, and Farage of course.

The public won't be approving when Israel puts a trade embargo on our medication. About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel.

CaptainMyCaptain · Today 07:27

dustabsorber · Yesterday 22:54

Why can't we just be Brits together, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu and
atheist and leave the foreigners to it?

🙄

CaptainMyCaptain · Today 07:29

marlboro · Yesterday 23:42

We don’t hate Jews. We hate the genocide and want it to stop. I support the government with this. Not supporting genocide isn’t antisemitism

This. 100%

iwishitwouldstartraining · Today 07:33

caringcarer · Today 07:24

The public won't be approving when Israel puts a trade embargo on our medication. About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel.

Where are you getting 75% from?

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