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Conflict in the Middle East

Hamas embedded in Gazan society

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:36

I found this an interesting read. How hamas is deeply embedded in the fabric of Gazan society. Its an older article, not one Ive seen shared and helps to explain why Hamas hasn't gone.

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/how-hamas-still-holds-power-in-gaza-more-than-2-years-into-the-war/

How Hamas Still Holds Power in Gaza, More Than 2 Years Into the War  - The Media Line

Nearly two years after Israel launched a war […]

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/how-hamas-still-holds-power-in-gaza-more-than-2-years-into-the-war/

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:39

A bit like the Taliban in Afghanistan, difficult to eradicate since Hamas permeates everything.

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mumumental · 31/05/2026 09:39

Every time Israel furthers its attacks on decimated Gaza, there are more of these posts. I wonder why?

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:41

mumumental · 31/05/2026 09:39

Every time Israel furthers its attacks on decimated Gaza, there are more of these posts. I wonder why?

I'm not defending the attacks that are ongoing, I'm saying that hamas permeates the Gazan society so deeply that its like the Taliban and won't go. That will probably affect rebuilding since investors will consider that point.

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:43

I don't have the answers going forward but can see it won't be easy to fix going forward.

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RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 09:44

I can't open the article. But its rather like saying the CPC is embedded in PRC society. Or how the UK government is embedded in UK society.

That is, one does expect the government is embedded.

MissyB1 · 31/05/2026 09:46

mumumental · 31/05/2026 09:39

Every time Israel furthers its attacks on decimated Gaza, there are more of these posts. I wonder why?

Yep. It’s to try and convince us that that Palestinians aren’t capable of having their own state and living peaceful autonomous lives, therefore Israel need to control them.

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:47

MissyB1 · 31/05/2026 09:46

Yep. It’s to try and convince us that that Palestinians aren’t capable of having their own state and living peaceful autonomous lives, therefore Israel need to control them.

It really isn't.

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:51

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 09:44

I can't open the article. But its rather like saying the CPC is embedded in PRC society. Or how the UK government is embedded in UK society.

That is, one does expect the government is embedded.

Deeply embedded in the fabric of Gazan society, Hamas has adapted financially and militarily to endure after the assassination of top leaders

Nearly two years after Israel launched a war aimed at dismantling Hamas following the Oct. 7 attacks, the movement remains the dominant force in Gaza. Despite the devastation of infrastructure, the assassination of top leaders, and a crippling blockade, Hamas continues to govern, fight, and even pay salaries.

Analysts say this endurance is not a coincidence. It’s the result of an organization that has embedded itself deeply into the fabric of Gaza’s society, adapted militarily, and evolved its financial tactics to survive one of the most intense conflicts in the region’s modern history.

Hamas is not just a military wing or a political party,” said Dr. Michael Milshtein, head of the Palestinian Studies Forum at the Moshe Dayan Center. “It’s something much broader—deeply rooted in Palestinian society. Over the past 20 years, they’ve built strong connections through education, charity, mosques, youth clubs, and women’s associations.”

Milshtein argues that the movement’s social infrastructure is a major reason it continues to enjoy support, even after what he estimates to be the loss of 25,000 to 27,000 members, many from its military wing.

“Their organizational DNA is built on resilience and redundancy,” he explained. “They’ve suffered enormous losses, but they have thousands of operatives and supporters ready to step in. They’re still the dominant power in Gaza.”

Ihsan Ataya, head of the Arab and International Relations Department for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, sees that strength coming from both ideological commitment and operational structure.

“Hamas has managed to maintain political control under a genocidal war and starvation campaign,” Ataya told The Media Line. “They operate with a tightly structured organization and strong security apparatus that helps maintain internal order—even under the most extreme conditions.”

Militarily, Hamas has shifted tactics. Gone are the battalions and brigades of previous wars. Instead, the group now relies on small, mobile units conducting guerrilla warfare inside Gaza’s urban ruins.

Since mid-2024, they adopted a doctrine of attrition,” Milshtein said. “It’s no longer about battalions—now it’s cells of three, five, seven fighters at most, carrying out ambushes and urban attacks.”

The Media Line
Ataya agreed that Hamas field commanders continue to play a vital role, guiding attacks under Israel’s overwhelming air and ground presence.

“Military operations remain intense and coordinated,” he said. “Despite Israeli air dominance, fighters plant explosives, prepare ambushes, and maintain tactical communication between units. These aren’t isolated acts—there’s still a level of organization behind them.”

Both experts note that Hamas’s underground tunnel network remains central to its resilience, enabling the movement of fighters, weapons, and even leadership figures across vast stretches of Gaza.

Perhaps most surprisingly, Hamas continues to pay its members—albeit in creative ways. Salaries aren’t what they once were, and cash is no longer the only currency.

Payment isn’t just in shekels anymore,” Milshtein said. “Hamas distributes food boxes, water, and humanitarian supplies as salary substitutes. This assistance, often looted or diverted from international aid, replaces cash.”

Ataya adds that even amid financial siege, the movement finds ways to ensure a degree of compensation for its rank and file.

“They’ve managed to continue paying salaries and providing services, even while Gaza lies in ruins,” he said. “That frustrates the Israeli leadership and fuels the continued violence aimed at pressuring them to surrender.”

A recent BBC investigation sheds further light on these financial tactics. The report alleges that Hamas had stockpiled more than $700 million in cash in underground hideouts prior to Oct. 7. These funds are reportedly still being distributed in secret, with Hamas operatives meeting briefly—sometimes over tea—to hand over envelopes containing partial salaries.

“There’s no question Hamas is under financial strain,” Milshtein said. “But they’ve always been adaptive. Whether it’s drones, smuggling routes through Bedouin networks or backchannels in Rafah—they find ways to move money.”

One of the reasons Hamas remains so cohesive is its unified command structure. Contrary to portrayals of deep division between its Gaza-based leadership and exiled political bureau, both Ataya and Milshtein emphasize tight coordination

There's more, its a long article

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JacknDiane · 31/05/2026 09:52

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:47

It really isn't.

Of course it is. Its to take the narrative away from the reality of what Israel are doing. Its shameful.

MissyB1 · 31/05/2026 09:53

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:43

I don't have the answers going forward but can see it won't be easy to fix going forward.

Certainly not easy to fix as long as Israel seem to think they can just steal land for themselves.

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:53

There’s a misconception about splits in leadership,” Milshtein said. “In reality, the two wings—inside Gaza and abroad—work closely together, especially when it comes to funding and strategic decisions.”

Ataya points to leaders like Zaher Jabarin (based in Istanbul) and Mohammad Darwish (based in Doha) as key financial architects.

“They are the ones responsible for collecting donations from states like Turkey, Qatar, and Iran—and ensuring that money makes its way into Gaza,” he said.

Getting money into the Strip has grown more difficult, especially with Israel’s control of the Philadelphi Route along the Egyptian border. But both analysts agree: Hamas still finds a way.

Ultimately, Hamas’s strategy now rests on outlasting the enemy. It is not about swift military victory but about eroding Israel’s stamina and global legitimacy.

“Hamas is betting on attrition,” Milshtein said. “They want to raise the cost—militarily, economically, and politically—until Israel can no longer sustain the war. It’s a long game.”

Ataya sees this as the only viable option under current conditions. “There’s no political horizon. Ceasefire talks are stalled. In the absence of alternatives, Hamas is forced into a long-term war of exhaustion—one that chips away at Israel’s stability, image, and sense of control.”

Despite being weakened, Hamas continues to function. Its ideology, social services, and operational flexibility allow it to survive in a war zone most would find ungovernable.

They’re not strong,” Milshtein clarified. “But they’re still standing. And that alone tells us something about how deeply embedded they are in Gaza’s reality.”

That's all of it. Posted for those interested in reading it. I've not seen the article and it was interesting reading.

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:53

MissyB1 · 31/05/2026 09:53

Certainly not easy to fix as long as Israel seem to think they can just steal land for themselves.

I agree, that is a major problem and should not happen.

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:55

JacknDiane · 31/05/2026 09:52

Of course it is. Its to take the narrative away from the reality of what Israel are doing. Its shameful.

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I imagine most people who are interested know much about it. This is an article for people who might be interested, it's possible to read articles from various sources and still be concerned about what's going on now.

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RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 09:56

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:51

Deeply embedded in the fabric of Gazan society, Hamas has adapted financially and militarily to endure after the assassination of top leaders

Nearly two years after Israel launched a war aimed at dismantling Hamas following the Oct. 7 attacks, the movement remains the dominant force in Gaza. Despite the devastation of infrastructure, the assassination of top leaders, and a crippling blockade, Hamas continues to govern, fight, and even pay salaries.

Analysts say this endurance is not a coincidence. It’s the result of an organization that has embedded itself deeply into the fabric of Gaza’s society, adapted militarily, and evolved its financial tactics to survive one of the most intense conflicts in the region’s modern history.

Hamas is not just a military wing or a political party,” said Dr. Michael Milshtein, head of the Palestinian Studies Forum at the Moshe Dayan Center. “It’s something much broader—deeply rooted in Palestinian society. Over the past 20 years, they’ve built strong connections through education, charity, mosques, youth clubs, and women’s associations.”

Milshtein argues that the movement’s social infrastructure is a major reason it continues to enjoy support, even after what he estimates to be the loss of 25,000 to 27,000 members, many from its military wing.

“Their organizational DNA is built on resilience and redundancy,” he explained. “They’ve suffered enormous losses, but they have thousands of operatives and supporters ready to step in. They’re still the dominant power in Gaza.”

Ihsan Ataya, head of the Arab and International Relations Department for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, sees that strength coming from both ideological commitment and operational structure.

“Hamas has managed to maintain political control under a genocidal war and starvation campaign,” Ataya told The Media Line. “They operate with a tightly structured organization and strong security apparatus that helps maintain internal order—even under the most extreme conditions.”

Militarily, Hamas has shifted tactics. Gone are the battalions and brigades of previous wars. Instead, the group now relies on small, mobile units conducting guerrilla warfare inside Gaza’s urban ruins.

Since mid-2024, they adopted a doctrine of attrition,” Milshtein said. “It’s no longer about battalions—now it’s cells of three, five, seven fighters at most, carrying out ambushes and urban attacks.”

The Media Line
Ataya agreed that Hamas field commanders continue to play a vital role, guiding attacks under Israel’s overwhelming air and ground presence.

“Military operations remain intense and coordinated,” he said. “Despite Israeli air dominance, fighters plant explosives, prepare ambushes, and maintain tactical communication between units. These aren’t isolated acts—there’s still a level of organization behind them.”

Both experts note that Hamas’s underground tunnel network remains central to its resilience, enabling the movement of fighters, weapons, and even leadership figures across vast stretches of Gaza.

Perhaps most surprisingly, Hamas continues to pay its members—albeit in creative ways. Salaries aren’t what they once were, and cash is no longer the only currency.

Payment isn’t just in shekels anymore,” Milshtein said. “Hamas distributes food boxes, water, and humanitarian supplies as salary substitutes. This assistance, often looted or diverted from international aid, replaces cash.”

Ataya adds that even amid financial siege, the movement finds ways to ensure a degree of compensation for its rank and file.

“They’ve managed to continue paying salaries and providing services, even while Gaza lies in ruins,” he said. “That frustrates the Israeli leadership and fuels the continued violence aimed at pressuring them to surrender.”

A recent BBC investigation sheds further light on these financial tactics. The report alleges that Hamas had stockpiled more than $700 million in cash in underground hideouts prior to Oct. 7. These funds are reportedly still being distributed in secret, with Hamas operatives meeting briefly—sometimes over tea—to hand over envelopes containing partial salaries.

“There’s no question Hamas is under financial strain,” Milshtein said. “But they’ve always been adaptive. Whether it’s drones, smuggling routes through Bedouin networks or backchannels in Rafah—they find ways to move money.”

One of the reasons Hamas remains so cohesive is its unified command structure. Contrary to portrayals of deep division between its Gaza-based leadership and exiled political bureau, both Ataya and Milshtein emphasize tight coordination

There's more, its a long article

Thanks for the clip.

As I suspected, there is nothing there that is not the norm in any society. That is that government is embedded. It pretty much as to be, by definition.

It is the exact same as how the Israeli government is embedded into Israeli society.

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:58

"Ultimately, Hamas’s strategy now rests on outlasting the enemy. It is not about swift military victory but about eroding Israel’s stamina and global legitimacy.

“Hamas is betting on attrition,” Milshtein said. “They want to raise the cost—militarily, economically, and politically—until Israel can no longer sustain the war. It’s a long game.”

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:59

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 09:56

Thanks for the clip.

As I suspected, there is nothing there that is not the norm in any society. That is that government is embedded. It pretty much as to be, by definition.

It is the exact same as how the Israeli government is embedded into Israeli society.

I wouldn't compare Hamas governance to most governments though. Thankfully.

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 10:00

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 09:56

Thanks for the clip.

As I suspected, there is nothing there that is not the norm in any society. That is that government is embedded. It pretty much as to be, by definition.

It is the exact same as how the Israeli government is embedded into Israeli society.

So without change of governance then will anything change?

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VeraMyHero · 31/05/2026 10:02

mumumental · 31/05/2026 09:39

Every time Israel furthers its attacks on decimated Gaza, there are more of these posts. I wonder why?

Yes I've noticed that as well.

likelysuspect · 31/05/2026 10:05

Well of course it is OP, Hamas is supported by Gazans and Palestinians. They're seen as freedom fighters and on the side of right. They are the government.

This is not a surprise to most of us.

Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 10:26

likelysuspect · 31/05/2026 10:05

Well of course it is OP, Hamas is supported by Gazans and Palestinians. They're seen as freedom fighters and on the side of right. They are the government.

This is not a surprise to most of us.

This being the case though, which countries or companies will ever invest in the reconstruction of Gaza?

I doubt any will for as long as Hamas are embedded in Gaza both politically and militarily.

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 10:30

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 10:00

So without change of governance then will anything change?

Governance will, or should, stay the same. Policy can change though, without government, or embedded government systems, changing.

If Netanyahu loses his election, then the government of Isreal won't change, but it's policy might. MPs or reps change of course, but the civil service and military don't.

The USA done that government sacking thing in Iraq. And that did not go well.

likelysuspect · 31/05/2026 10:43

Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 10:26

This being the case though, which countries or companies will ever invest in the reconstruction of Gaza?

I doubt any will for as long as Hamas are embedded in Gaza both politically and militarily.

Well quite although our government recognised Palenstine as as state which given its government(s) I disagree with.

localnotail · 31/05/2026 10:45

I think its a very interesting subject, OP, and one that is being supressed for some reason - as you can see on this thread, if you try to discuss the role of Hamas in Gaza society you get instantly shouted at being pro-Israel aggression and shame on you etc etc.

If we move away from what is going on between Gaza and Israel, I think its important to understand how much ordinary people in Gaza support Hamas ideology. Hamas have taken over every part of Gazan life - they not only in government, they also rule and control education, healthcare, media - everything. Its a bit like what was happening in the USSR - you had no opportunity to know what is really going on as there were no ways for people to speak freely, or for anyone to get any information other than official account. But there were dissidents - and I know there are dissidents from Gaza, who speak against Hamas - but for some reason their voices are not prominent.

What I'd like to know is what the ordinary Palestinians think of Hamas, and how much they support it. There seem to be a LOT of support, but is it willing? Is it all people, or just some?

I do feel very sorry for people of Gaza as sadly I can't see how their situation can improve, its been going on for so long, billions and billions pumped there as aid, negotiations, initiatives - but nothing is changing. I do believe, however, that people who can change the situation are not Western countries, but rather immediate neighbours - who seem to do fuck all and quietly fan the flames of conflict, using it for their own gain.

likelysuspect · 31/05/2026 10:57

localnotail · 31/05/2026 10:45

I think its a very interesting subject, OP, and one that is being supressed for some reason - as you can see on this thread, if you try to discuss the role of Hamas in Gaza society you get instantly shouted at being pro-Israel aggression and shame on you etc etc.

If we move away from what is going on between Gaza and Israel, I think its important to understand how much ordinary people in Gaza support Hamas ideology. Hamas have taken over every part of Gazan life - they not only in government, they also rule and control education, healthcare, media - everything. Its a bit like what was happening in the USSR - you had no opportunity to know what is really going on as there were no ways for people to speak freely, or for anyone to get any information other than official account. But there were dissidents - and I know there are dissidents from Gaza, who speak against Hamas - but for some reason their voices are not prominent.

What I'd like to know is what the ordinary Palestinians think of Hamas, and how much they support it. There seem to be a LOT of support, but is it willing? Is it all people, or just some?

I do feel very sorry for people of Gaza as sadly I can't see how their situation can improve, its been going on for so long, billions and billions pumped there as aid, negotiations, initiatives - but nothing is changing. I do believe, however, that people who can change the situation are not Western countries, but rather immediate neighbours - who seem to do fuck all and quietly fan the flames of conflict, using it for their own gain.

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Im not sure its enough to ask just if Gazan's support Hamas, its more about whether Gazan's support Hamas policies, which as I understand it they do. Therefore any Hamas replacement would surely just replicate the political aims, that is annihilation of Israel and continued terrorism.

Martymcfly24 · 31/05/2026 11:01

likelysuspect · 31/05/2026 10:57

Im not sure its enough to ask just if Gazan's support Hamas, its more about whether Gazan's support Hamas policies, which as I understand it they do. Therefore any Hamas replacement would surely just replicate the political aims, that is annihilation of Israel and continued terrorism.

So with your views what happens next then? How do you see a future looking for the Palestinians living in Gaza?

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