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Conflict in the Middle East

Hamas embedded in Gazan society

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 09:36

I found this an interesting read. How hamas is deeply embedded in the fabric of Gazan society. Its an older article, not one Ive seen shared and helps to explain why Hamas hasn't gone.

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/how-hamas-still-holds-power-in-gaza-more-than-2-years-into-the-war/

How Hamas Still Holds Power in Gaza, More Than 2 Years Into the War  - The Media Line

Nearly two years after Israel launched a war […]

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/how-hamas-still-holds-power-in-gaza-more-than-2-years-into-the-war/

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Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 20:58

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 20:53

You are worried about the poor Gazan's now?

My attitude to them hasn't changed.

It's Hamas I always criticise not civilians.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:11

localnotail · 31/05/2026 16:39

Its much more to do with them than the Western countries. Firstly, a lot of support for Hamas comes from there. Also, none of the countries in the vicinity would take Gazan refugees - why? Israel accepted Jewish people from every one of the Middle eastern courtiers, so why every Muslim state in the region prefers to shut their doors to fellow Muslims?

The Western Countries problem is really the daily donation of 10 + million US dollars, adding up to 3.8billion per year; the daily donation of 320,000 Euros for R&D from the EU plus numerous trade agreements and that is without digging in too deep.

The latest Israeli government latest gaslighting talking points accusing the West of human rights abuses on Gazans because Egypt closed its border is a dreadful thing.

This right wing racist government has a stated aim of ethnic cleansing. They want to remove every Gazan so they can rebuild??

What then - right of return part two?

This is morally bankrupt.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:15

localnotail · 31/05/2026 20:36

This is a completely false dichotomy. They can totally choose to have their own Gaza-born leaders who are not medieval animals.

But it is NOT a false dichotomy at all when the State of Israel interferes with their political process and throws a lot of money into the mix to make sure it does not function.

Hamas were founded and funded by Nathanyhu. He gave them political advantage over every other political party with money and intel.

He created this - not the Gazans. They have to live with it and adapt to it - an entirely different thing.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:20

localnotail · 31/05/2026 20:45

Have you noticed how over the years since it came to existence Israel became more and more like its neighbours, but with added bonus of having more money and support from the West? I wonder why that is. Could it be because it was constantly attacked?

If you look at the numbers of people killed over the last 20 years, the biggest threat to everyone in that region is statistically Israel.

By a huge country mile.

Israel is an extremely aggressive, expansionist country that very cleverly presents itself as the victim.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:24

@localnotail - re Bibi and Hamas: The British SS did the did the same thing in Northern Ireland. The funder some of the loyalist terror groups, fed them information and money, set them up to have big advantage.

It is not a new strategy nor is it a Netanyahu invention.

It usually fails in the long term, as one would expect.

Bringemout · 31/05/2026 21:25

Tbf Hamas got busy shooting Gazans as soon as the ceasefire was announced. There have been anti hamas protests in Gaza as well over the years. I think it’s a complicated picture, I think it’s more like Hamas has the majority of weapons, funding and controls levers of power and Gazans sort of shrug and get on with it. Look what happens to Gazans who object, people have been murdered, I’ve seen one too many pictures of people who’ve had their arms and legs broken for cirticising Hamas. They also pay, so if you are from a poor family or have little job prospects for many that will be incentive enough, and your family will support you because it’s a source of income.

Yeah they are well and truly embedded but I think I saw a poll where only 40% of Gazans would vote for them in an election (tbh I thought that was a bit high given what they managed to do to Gaza).

They are well and truly embedded but I’m not sure they are loved a such. I think any nascent Palestinian state would immediately descend into civil war.

Bringemout · 31/05/2026 21:26

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:20

If you look at the numbers of people killed over the last 20 years, the biggest threat to everyone in that region is statistically Israel.

By a huge country mile.

Israel is an extremely aggressive, expansionist country that very cleverly presents itself as the victim.

Arabs have killed more arabs than Israel has. It’s a nonsense to suggest Israel is a threat to anyone except those who threaten it. Jordan and Egypt both have peace deals and also trade deals with Israel which are strictly abided by.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:30

Bringemout · 31/05/2026 21:25

Tbf Hamas got busy shooting Gazans as soon as the ceasefire was announced. There have been anti hamas protests in Gaza as well over the years. I think it’s a complicated picture, I think it’s more like Hamas has the majority of weapons, funding and controls levers of power and Gazans sort of shrug and get on with it. Look what happens to Gazans who object, people have been murdered, I’ve seen one too many pictures of people who’ve had their arms and legs broken for cirticising Hamas. They also pay, so if you are from a poor family or have little job prospects for many that will be incentive enough, and your family will support you because it’s a source of income.

Yeah they are well and truly embedded but I think I saw a poll where only 40% of Gazans would vote for them in an election (tbh I thought that was a bit high given what they managed to do to Gaza).

They are well and truly embedded but I’m not sure they are loved a such. I think any nascent Palestinian state would immediately descend into civil war.

Right now, Gaza needs to be opened to journalists.

We really need outsiders who are trained well for these situation to go in there and see what is happening.

The fact that Israel/USA does not want that should raise massive concern.

Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 21:33

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:30

Right now, Gaza needs to be opened to journalists.

We really need outsiders who are trained well for these situation to go in there and see what is happening.

The fact that Israel/USA does not want that should raise massive concern.

Gaza should be open to international journalists. So should Iran.

It's Netanyahu who won't allow it I believe, not sure why you are also blaming the US for the lack of international journalists in Gaza?

Leorag · 31/05/2026 21:34

Bringemout · 31/05/2026 21:26

Arabs have killed more arabs than Israel has. It’s a nonsense to suggest Israel is a threat to anyone except those who threaten it. Jordan and Egypt both have peace deals and also trade deals with Israel which are strictly abided by.

Exactly. In Gaza; Gay- thrown off a building. Anything to suggest anti Hamas ( there were protests against Hamas pre Oct 7 and protesters were thrown in jail or killed if their families didn't have money to get them out). There needs to be a de radicalisation of a lot of Gazans before there is any chance of a 2 state solution.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:50

Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 21:33

Gaza should be open to international journalists. So should Iran.

It's Netanyahu who won't allow it I believe, not sure why you are also blaming the US for the lack of international journalists in Gaza?

The American president has clearly said, more than once, that Gaza, as beech front property, will be developed, BY HIM.

Kushner has talked about it numerous times.

Smotrich has talked about it numerous times.

Gvir has talked about it numerous times.

Those plans will be very hard to implement if journalists are in there, producing stories of disenfranchised, brutalized people who are also, more than likely, the victims of serious war crimes.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:52

*beach

likelysuspect · 31/05/2026 21:58

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:50

The American president has clearly said, more than once, that Gaza, as beech front property, will be developed, BY HIM.

Kushner has talked about it numerous times.

Smotrich has talked about it numerous times.

Gvir has talked about it numerous times.

Those plans will be very hard to implement if journalists are in there, producing stories of disenfranchised, brutalized people who are also, more than likely, the victims of serious war crimes.

Given he has the brass neck to do the things he's done already in and to other countries, Im not sure journalists sniffing around will stop him or embarrass him at all.

Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 21:58

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:50

The American president has clearly said, more than once, that Gaza, as beech front property, will be developed, BY HIM.

Kushner has talked about it numerous times.

Smotrich has talked about it numerous times.

Gvir has talked about it numerous times.

Those plans will be very hard to implement if journalists are in there, producing stories of disenfranchised, brutalized people who are also, more than likely, the victims of serious war crimes.

That's not evidence at all that the US is involved in the Israeli decision not to allow international journalists into Gaza (apart from when invited and accompanied by the IDF).

We all know what's happened in Gaza because there are local journalists filming stuff and locals use the internet to share information.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 22:00

likelysuspect · 31/05/2026 21:58

Given he has the brass neck to do the things he's done already in and to other countries, Im not sure journalists sniffing around will stop him or embarrass him at all.

Agreed.

It would make it harder though, and perhaps delay things.

Which would, I think, be good for the people of Gaza.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 22:06

Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 21:58

That's not evidence at all that the US is involved in the Israeli decision not to allow international journalists into Gaza (apart from when invited and accompanied by the IDF).

We all know what's happened in Gaza because there are local journalists filming stuff and locals use the internet to share information.

Fair enough - it is not evidence.

It is a fair deduction though, based on their own statements, and the close working relationship between the principles of Israel and the USA, and the close, long standing family relationship between the Nethanyahu and Kushner.

Re journalists - citizen journalisim is fine for a bit, but we need the professionals in there.

Gaza being closed to all, except Israel, is not acceptable.

Why is it closed?

Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 22:18

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 22:06

Fair enough - it is not evidence.

It is a fair deduction though, based on their own statements, and the close working relationship between the principles of Israel and the USA, and the close, long standing family relationship between the Nethanyahu and Kushner.

Re journalists - citizen journalisim is fine for a bit, but we need the professionals in there.

Gaza being closed to all, except Israel, is not acceptable.

Why is it closed?

Yes it's not evidence, it's your opinion.

Why is Gaza still closed to international journalists? That is not something I have the facts on, only my opinion. I imagine the leaders in charge don't want international journalists to see exactly what they are doing as they don't want more international condemnation - same as with Iran.

localnotail · 31/05/2026 22:32

likelysuspect · 31/05/2026 20:58

Are there any voices at the moment who are challenging the hierarchy or leaders in Hamas?

We would not know because they probably are killed off by Hamas. And also, sadly, those who escape are being ignored.

localnotail · 31/05/2026 22:35

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:15

But it is NOT a false dichotomy at all when the State of Israel interferes with their political process and throws a lot of money into the mix to make sure it does not function.

Hamas were founded and funded by Nathanyhu. He gave them political advantage over every other political party with money and intel.

He created this - not the Gazans. They have to live with it and adapt to it - an entirely different thing.

I dont know much about Israel's involvement in supporting Hamas (but I wont deny it could be true, Israel's right wing government is vile) but I do know Hamas gets a lot of its funding and support from other ME courtiers, like Iran for example. There are other players involved here, apart from Israel, who would like this war to continue.

localnotail · 31/05/2026 22:36

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:24

@localnotail - re Bibi and Hamas: The British SS did the did the same thing in Northern Ireland. The funder some of the loyalist terror groups, fed them information and money, set them up to have big advantage.

It is not a new strategy nor is it a Netanyahu invention.

It usually fails in the long term, as one would expect.

You lost me at "British SS"

localnotail · 31/05/2026 22:38

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 21:20

If you look at the numbers of people killed over the last 20 years, the biggest threat to everyone in that region is statistically Israel.

By a huge country mile.

Israel is an extremely aggressive, expansionist country that very cleverly presents itself as the victim.

You are talking utter bollocks.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 23:15

Twiglets1 · 31/05/2026 22:18

Yes it's not evidence, it's your opinion.

Why is Gaza still closed to international journalists? That is not something I have the facts on, only my opinion. I imagine the leaders in charge don't want international journalists to see exactly what they are doing as they don't want more international condemnation - same as with Iran.

It is indeed the same principle as Iran - they specifically do not let international observers in to witness their diabolical behavior over their own people.

The difference with Gaza is that a foreign power will not let international observers in.

So - not the same as Iran.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 23:16

localnotail · 31/05/2026 22:35

I dont know much about Israel's involvement in supporting Hamas (but I wont deny it could be true, Israel's right wing government is vile) but I do know Hamas gets a lot of its funding and support from other ME courtiers, like Iran for example. There are other players involved here, apart from Israel, who would like this war to continue.

This is very true too.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 23:18

localnotail · 31/05/2026 22:36

You lost me at "British SS"

Bloody hell, I missed that! 😟So sorry.

The British Secret Service - it is what all those (insanely expensive) enquiries about Bloody Sunday and various other atrocities in Northern Ireland exposed.

MarmaladeorJam · 31/05/2026 23:21

localnotail · 31/05/2026 22:38

You are talking utter bollocks.

I am not actually.

Look at statistics from the region, country by country.

Deaths by war, country by country.

Human Rights Watch, UN, EU, Save the Children, Oxfam etc.

Any agency you respect - just look at the numbers.

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