Concerns about Israeli plans for Gaza and Palestinian displacement

[JadeHare]

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-military-70-percent-gaza-intl

Doesn’t look like there will be much land left for the Palestinians.

And in other news, from the Guardian:

“Israel’s defence minister has said he is committed to the ethnic cleansing of Gaza through large-scale migration of Palestinians as part of Israel’s long-term plans for the territory.
Israel Katz said the government would implement a plan for large numbers of Palestinians to leave Gaza “at the right time and in the right manner”, in a statement on Wednesday marking the targeted killing of Mohammed Odeh, Hamas’s most recent military commander.
Pushing for mass departures violates Donald Trump’s ceasefire plan for Gaza, which Israel signed last year. The second point of the plan states: “Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.”
Israel’s government has promoted the prospect of Gaza without Palestinians since Trump suggested early last year that hundreds of thousands of people should leave to “clean out” the strip for reconstruction.
Last year Israel set up a bureau for “voluntary emigration” and eased travel restrictions for Palestinians who wanted to make a one-way journey out of the strip.
The forced transfer of civilian populations is a war crime and a crime against humanity. Israeli officials, including Katz, use the term “voluntary migration” to describe their ”

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Bomb bunkers everywhere? Are you quite sure about that?

Even insisting Palestine continues to exist? Under its strict occupation? Catch yourself on.

What? Are you suggesting Palestine exists? Or suggesting it doesn't?

Come on, I did Israel, you do Hamas? Tell me a few things they do to protect their civilians?

As for your suggestion that Hamas ensures Palestine continues to exist? Lol. Hamas has fucked up the chance for a Palestinian homeland for generations. Gaza is leveled. Trump is circling. The WB is being aggressively settled. Name me one way Palestinians are better off because of Hamas.

Noted that you didnt answer any of my questions.

In what way?

I’d say the figure is lower as many areas in Israel do not have shelters for for non Jewish people
and as we saw during bombings non Jewish people are often denied access to shelters in their areas

The Shelter Deficit
Systemic Disparity: Official state reports indicate that over 50% of non-Jewish Israelis lack compliant protective spaces, compared to roughly 26% of the general population. In northern Arab localities, this deficit reaches 70%.

Bedouin Villages: Approximately 90,000 Bedouins live in the Negev desert in "unrecognized" villages. Because the Israeli government does not grant building permits in these areas, communities are legally barred from building permanent public or private shelters.

Access and Inequality
Lack of Infrastructure: The absence of shelters is largely attributed to historical government neglect and a lack of municipal funding for Arab-majority towns.

Civilian Incidents: During escalations with Iran, there were numerous reports of non-Jewish citizens and foreign workers being denied access to public or communal shelters in Jewish-majority areas, and in some cases, blocked by neighbours.

Mixed Cities: In mixed Arab-Jewish cities (such as Haifa), non-Jews have reported being turned away from shared residential shelters

If you're actually interested in answering them- all relating to whether Lebanons sovereignty should rest more with the Lebanese gvmt or the terrorists it harbours in the south- then please feel free to go back and read my post again.
I'm done for today though... got stuff to get on with. So apologies for not replying if you do.

They can't protect their civilians. That's obvious. How things might eventually get better for the Palestinians, even though it is awful at the moment, is that they have been ignored by the majority of the world for decades. Most people knew nothing about the situation and if you mentioned the word Palestinian, most people thought terrorists. Israel did a fantastic job of gaslighting the whole world. That advantage has almost gone. To quote Trump on the infamous phone call to Netanyahu. ""You're fucking crazy. You'd be in prison if it weren't for me. I'm saving your ass. Everybody hates you now. Everybody hates Israel because of this.". At the moment Israel is still arrogantly ignoring world opinion about them but the Palestinians can only hope that enough pressure will eventually be brought to bear on Israel to finally improve their situation.

Hello. Hamas started a war in 2023, invading Israel, killing and raping women and children and taking hostages, all of which the mumsnetters say are false allegations. There were never any rapes and all the hostages were well treated. Everyone sat round a campfire every night and sang Kumbayah. The women who said they had been raped were heinous liars all of which was backed up by the UN so called women's rights representative and Palestinian rights activists around the world. Those women were simply liars and racists. A bit like the girls in the Pakistani rape gangs.

So you think all of this started on October 7th 2023? How about looking at Deir Yassin or Tantura or any of the others in Plan Dalet. Long time ago but you think you can treat generations of people like that and be surprised when they go on a murderous, horrific, rampage when you drop your guard on the cage door. Hamas did not start the war. They reacted to an opportunity in a horrendous way but as Antonio Guterres said, it did not happen in a vacuum.

Hyperbole (and lies ) are never a good look.

"Mumsnetters"(that homogeneous group of people ) do not deny the atrocities of October 7th.

It cheapens any argument you may wish to make with ridiculous statements like this.

@Mantanora

The Palestinians have been turning down peace deals for decades now.

quote from Golda Meir sums it up:

"Peace will come when the Palestinians will love their children more than they hate us."
^^

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/08/israel1

The Palestinians have been turning down peace deals for decades now.
quote from Golda Meir sums it up:
"Peace will come when the Palestinians will love their children more than they hate us."
^^
That’s a bit backwards when Israel has killed, maimed, bombed 100,000’s of thousands of Palestinian people but they’re the blood thirsty murderers? Not Hamas the Palestinian parents who want blood over peace?

Usung children as human shields went out the window the when America bombed the school in Iran, a deliberate attack on the most vulnerable.

I doubt the proposed peace deals would be implemented or fair considering they’ve been beating for years, had settlers steal their home.
There has dozens of videos of IDF soldiers being cruel for the sake of it.

Back when MIL lived through the troubles. The British army helped them find a safe house on a bad night of violence, one solder brought back a pot so they could boil water.

They showed the Catholic kids their guns in the street and answered their questions. They weren’t saints and people died but overall they were human and tried to do the job without cruelty.

Think your MIL must have bumped into some nice ones.
I envy that

Dehumanization and Racist Tropes are also not a good look.

That bullshit again.

"Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well." Shlomo Ben-Ami. He was the Israeli Foreign Minister and one of the chief negotiators at the Camp David Summit.

As for that nonsensical quote by Golda Meir, here's another one you might like.

"We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children."

Doesn't get much sicker than that!

The whole quote is-

" When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Its a comment on the awful moral realities of war. How terrible it is to lose your own children, but in going to war and killing others in return, losing one's moral compass in the process, becoming that which you sought to destroy. It can be applied equally to either side of this conflict and every other conflict ever. Its a deeply profound and sobering statement.

Profound??? It's sick!

"It is the ultimate expression of 'shoot and weep'—where we kill, but we are the ones who feel like the victims because we were 'forced' to do it. It allows for the avoidance of any real moral reckoning." Gideon Levi

What Golda Meir was saying is that there will be our kind of peace when the Palestinians accept the occupation, dehumanisation, displacement and basically accept their fate as a third class group with no rights in their own land. Who would do that?

Depends which side of the fence you want to sit on I guess. Conversely it has been interpreted as a prime example of victim blaming and moral evasion. It absolves Israel of its own agency and casualties in the conflict. Added to the fact that, “Arabs must love their children more than they hate us" is often criticized by opponents as an offensive, racist generalization that demeans the opposing side's humanity.

Two sides to the coin.

I don't feel it absolves anyone. Both sides have had their sons killed. Both sides have killed the others sons. I think this quote recognizes the risks of having ones soul stained forever by the killing in war and that dehumanizing the enemy means losing a part of your own humanity.

There is no justification that exists for genocide.

There is no justification for any government ordering the killing of children.

That’s nice. Be sure to let @1dayatatime know. Somehow I don’t think they share your sentiments.

Yet incredibly there are mumsnetters who try to justify it until they are blue in the face. They won’t admit they are trying to justify a genocide but they insist all the killing has been necessary. And these people are probably parents themselves.

Like who?