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Conflict in the Middle East

Concerns about Israeli plans for Gaza and Palestinian displacement

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JadeHare · 28/05/2026 17:16

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-military-70-percent-gaza-intl

Doesn’t look like there will be much land left for the Palestinians.

And in other news, from the Guardian:

“Israel’s defence minister has said he is committed to the ethnic cleansing of Gaza through large-scale migration of Palestinians as part of Israel’s long-term plans for the territory.
Israel Katz said the government would implement a plan for large numbers of Palestinians to leave Gaza “at the right time and in the right manner”, in a statement on Wednesday marking the targeted killing of Mohammed Odeh, Hamas’s most recent military commander.
Pushing for mass departures violates Donald Trump’s ceasefire plan for Gaza, which Israel signed last year. The second point of the plan states: “Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.”
Israel’s government has promoted the prospect of Gaza without Palestinians since Trump suggested early last year that hundreds of thousands of people should leave to “clean out” the strip for reconstruction.
Last year Israel set up a bureau for “voluntary emigration” and eased travel restrictions for Palestinians who wanted to make a one-way journey out of the strip.
The forced transfer of civilian populations is a war crime and a crime against humanity. Israeli officials, including Katz, use the term “voluntary migration” to describe their ”

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“Israel’s defence minister says large-scale Palestinian migration from Gaza will go ahead”
Emma Graham-Harrison
The Guardian
https://apple.news/AnnlpJqlOTdW5cUbA9NEe1Q
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Israeli PM Netanyahu says he directed the military to take over 70% of Gaza | CNN

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday that he had directed Israel’s military to take over 70% of Gaza’s territory.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-military-70-percent-gaza-intl

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JadeHare · 31/05/2026 20:02

Leorag · 31/05/2026 19:59

How can you disagree with that??

Look at Afghanistan and how women's life's have been so decimated now?

Oh my. There are lots of people who are just normal Islamists, going about their day. Just like there are Christians, Jews etc. But you want to get rid of them? Have a good hard listen. Who next?

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JadeHare · 31/05/2026 20:03

dairydebris · 31/05/2026 20:00

What? Don't you think thats true?

Afghanistan?
Iran?
ISIS?

No extremists are desirable, obviously, but when it comes to religious ones there is one religion much more often associated with violence? Or don't you agree?

No. I don’t agree.

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Leorag · 31/05/2026 20:06

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 20:02

Oh my. There are lots of people who are just normal Islamists, going about their day. Just like there are Christians, Jews etc. But you want to get rid of them? Have a good hard listen. Who next?

Maybe you should read up on Islamists.....they definitely don't " just go about their day".

dairydebris · 31/05/2026 20:08

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 20:02

Oh my. There are lots of people who are just normal Islamists, going about their day. Just like there are Christians, Jews etc. But you want to get rid of them? Have a good hard listen. Who next?

No. There are lots of good Muslims just going about their day.
Islamists tend to be much less keen on the separation of religion and state and a lot more keen on Sharia.

Bananarep · 31/05/2026 20:15

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 19:54

I do think that Islamism is a threat to us all though. It harms women and children more than most and we should all have a goal to try and eliminate it.

GOOD GRIEF!

Look at the subjugation of women, and the way they treat homosexuals.

Save your grief for them.

ilovepuppies2019 · 31/05/2026 20:47

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ilovepuppies2019 · 31/05/2026 21:02

@Leorag Apologies if I’ve misunderstood your reference to Islamist. I thought you were talking about Muslims but I’ve read your post again and realised that I think I’ve interpreted you wrongly. Unfortunately I can’t edit it. It was nothing bad but it’s much less applicable if I’ve misunderstood you.

Leorag · 31/05/2026 21:15

Ilovepuppies2019.... sorry your post seemed to disappear as I was replying so I had to C&P it;

"Israel’s defence minister has announced large scale migration of Palestinians off their own land. Yes this is clearly as many Palestinians as is possible. If it’s not the majority then it won’t be through lack of trying. It will only be that ethnic cleansing is slow, resource intensive and will likely be moderately objected by the international community which will slow down the process further. Many Israeli settlers and some extremist Jsrralei politicians have announced their dream of removing Palestinians from Westbank, this is an actionable plan of a long stated intention. Let’s be clear that Israel’s official defence minister, a leader and representative of the views of the state of Israel, has called for ethnic cleansing. Perhaps the worst part of this is that a statement which is a staggering level of war crime and a crime against humanity made by an ally nation which we are heavily funding and supporting hasn’t even made the mainstream news.
Sorry, just so I’m sure I understand you, you’re calling for the religion of Islam in all its forms to be stamped out? You’re not referring to extremism, my understanding is that you think all Islamism is extremism, you’re referring to mainstream Islam practiced by approximately 2 billion people? To be clear, you feel the Islam is a danger to the people of the world while we’re hearing about an ideologically extreme defence Minister from another religion telling us that he would like to begin the ethnic clensing of the civilians, including women and children, as fast as possible? Don’t you see a hypocrisy in believing that Islam is incompatible with peace while an extremist leader from another religion demands a war crime which will strip Islamic women and children of a place to live and whatever remaining basic human rights they have? If not, then why not? Why does this ideological zealot and his war crimes not pose a threat but 2 billion people do?
I hope that either you or others reading this with similar views to you can appreciate that this is the definition of Islamophobia. You seem to feel the the entire religion is bad and that every Muslim is a threat. That is the textbook definition. You’re not alone, this thread is teeming with it. We have a leading Minister from an ally nation announced their intention to begin ethic cleansing. If this was any other nation then the thread would be full of posts asking how this, or st least our role in this, can be stopped. Instead we have pages of posts clearly implying that it’s justified or we should only be talking about the October tragedy. I don’t understand how the announcement of ethnic cleansing by an ally could be met with anything other than universal outrage"

And I think most of the "pro Palestinian" marchers have the same grasp of the situation as you and @JadeHare. If they were more educated on the nuances and didn't believe the propoganda ( which to be fair is pretty heavy, similar to how it was in 30s Germany in fact..

With all your interest in Israel and Gaza you've never been aware of Islamism or Islamist's??Which I suspect if you now Google, you will find you don't agree with? Or maybe you do🙅‍♀️

Leorag · 31/05/2026 21:20

ilovepuppies2019 · 31/05/2026 21:02

@Leorag Apologies if I’ve misunderstood your reference to Islamist. I thought you were talking about Muslims but I’ve read your post again and realised that I think I’ve interpreted you wrongly. Unfortunately I can’t edit it. It was nothing bad but it’s much less applicable if I’ve misunderstood you.

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Sorry cross posted. I couldn't see why my post wouldn't post. No worries.

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:10

Leorag · 31/05/2026 21:15

Ilovepuppies2019.... sorry your post seemed to disappear as I was replying so I had to C&P it;

"Israel’s defence minister has announced large scale migration of Palestinians off their own land. Yes this is clearly as many Palestinians as is possible. If it’s not the majority then it won’t be through lack of trying. It will only be that ethnic cleansing is slow, resource intensive and will likely be moderately objected by the international community which will slow down the process further. Many Israeli settlers and some extremist Jsrralei politicians have announced their dream of removing Palestinians from Westbank, this is an actionable plan of a long stated intention. Let’s be clear that Israel’s official defence minister, a leader and representative of the views of the state of Israel, has called for ethnic cleansing. Perhaps the worst part of this is that a statement which is a staggering level of war crime and a crime against humanity made by an ally nation which we are heavily funding and supporting hasn’t even made the mainstream news.
Sorry, just so I’m sure I understand you, you’re calling for the religion of Islam in all its forms to be stamped out? You’re not referring to extremism, my understanding is that you think all Islamism is extremism, you’re referring to mainstream Islam practiced by approximately 2 billion people? To be clear, you feel the Islam is a danger to the people of the world while we’re hearing about an ideologically extreme defence Minister from another religion telling us that he would like to begin the ethnic clensing of the civilians, including women and children, as fast as possible? Don’t you see a hypocrisy in believing that Islam is incompatible with peace while an extremist leader from another religion demands a war crime which will strip Islamic women and children of a place to live and whatever remaining basic human rights they have? If not, then why not? Why does this ideological zealot and his war crimes not pose a threat but 2 billion people do?
I hope that either you or others reading this with similar views to you can appreciate that this is the definition of Islamophobia. You seem to feel the the entire religion is bad and that every Muslim is a threat. That is the textbook definition. You’re not alone, this thread is teeming with it. We have a leading Minister from an ally nation announced their intention to begin ethic cleansing. If this was any other nation then the thread would be full of posts asking how this, or st least our role in this, can be stopped. Instead we have pages of posts clearly implying that it’s justified or we should only be talking about the October tragedy. I don’t understand how the announcement of ethnic cleansing by an ally could be met with anything other than universal outrage"

And I think most of the "pro Palestinian" marchers have the same grasp of the situation as you and @JadeHare. If they were more educated on the nuances and didn't believe the propoganda ( which to be fair is pretty heavy, similar to how it was in 30s Germany in fact..

With all your interest in Israel and Gaza you've never been aware of Islamism or Islamist's??Which I suspect if you now Google, you will find you don't agree with? Or maybe you do🙅‍♀️

Christ. I’m married to a Muslim. Kept my own family name. Been married over 30 years. Lived in the ME for over 45 years. Yet you keep gunning.

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DrPrunesqualer · 31/05/2026 22:15

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:10

Christ. I’m married to a Muslim. Kept my own family name. Been married over 30 years. Lived in the ME for over 45 years. Yet you keep gunning.

It seems Leorag knows best though and you need to educate yourself !

now where’s that definition of name calling gone 🙄

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:17

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Leorag · 31/05/2026 22:22

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:10

Christ. I’m married to a Muslim. Kept my own family name. Been married over 30 years. Lived in the ME for over 45 years. Yet you keep gunning.

And through all that you've never been aware of extremist Muslims? Or what people call them?

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:24

Leorag · 31/05/2026 22:22

And through all that you've never been aware of extremist Muslims? Or what people call them?

Jesus Christ, there are extremists of every faith. Or only are you anti Islam.

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JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:28

There’s a word for that. Racist.

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Leorag · 31/05/2026 22:33

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When you realise you're wrong, you can just say so. Read up on Islamism. And hope you never have to live under it.

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 22:36

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:24

Jesus Christ, there are extremists of every faith. Or only are you anti Islam.

I read the comment as anti islamists, not anti islam. That's not racism. Islam is a religion not a race. Surely most people are anti the extreme islamists! Or are you not?

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:39

Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 22:36

I read the comment as anti islamists, not anti islam. That's not racism. Islam is a religion not a race. Surely most people are anti the extreme islamists! Or are you not?

I am anti every faith thinking every up upper hand. Bloody hell.

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 22:41

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:39

I am anti every faith thinking every up upper hand. Bloody hell.

No idea what you are attempting to say.

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:41

Leorag · 31/05/2026 22:33

When you realise you're wrong, you can just say so. Read up on Islamism. And hope you never have to live under it.

What a fucking joke.

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Ihatetomatoes · 31/05/2026 22:42

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Goodness gracious me. If thats your takeaway situation from it all, then god help (Christian only), you.

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Leorag · 31/05/2026 22:50

JadeHare · 31/05/2026 22:45

Goodness gracious me. If thats your takeaway situation from it all, then god help (Christian only), you.

So you believe in Sharia law...because that's what you're saying now? ,( but remember you did say you're anti every faith having " upper hand"?)

Ellen2shoes · 31/05/2026 22:56

Leorag · 31/05/2026 21:15

Ilovepuppies2019.... sorry your post seemed to disappear as I was replying so I had to C&P it;

"Israel’s defence minister has announced large scale migration of Palestinians off their own land. Yes this is clearly as many Palestinians as is possible. If it’s not the majority then it won’t be through lack of trying. It will only be that ethnic cleansing is slow, resource intensive and will likely be moderately objected by the international community which will slow down the process further. Many Israeli settlers and some extremist Jsrralei politicians have announced their dream of removing Palestinians from Westbank, this is an actionable plan of a long stated intention. Let’s be clear that Israel’s official defence minister, a leader and representative of the views of the state of Israel, has called for ethnic cleansing. Perhaps the worst part of this is that a statement which is a staggering level of war crime and a crime against humanity made by an ally nation which we are heavily funding and supporting hasn’t even made the mainstream news.
Sorry, just so I’m sure I understand you, you’re calling for the religion of Islam in all its forms to be stamped out? You’re not referring to extremism, my understanding is that you think all Islamism is extremism, you’re referring to mainstream Islam practiced by approximately 2 billion people? To be clear, you feel the Islam is a danger to the people of the world while we’re hearing about an ideologically extreme defence Minister from another religion telling us that he would like to begin the ethnic clensing of the civilians, including women and children, as fast as possible? Don’t you see a hypocrisy in believing that Islam is incompatible with peace while an extremist leader from another religion demands a war crime which will strip Islamic women and children of a place to live and whatever remaining basic human rights they have? If not, then why not? Why does this ideological zealot and his war crimes not pose a threat but 2 billion people do?
I hope that either you or others reading this with similar views to you can appreciate that this is the definition of Islamophobia. You seem to feel the the entire religion is bad and that every Muslim is a threat. That is the textbook definition. You’re not alone, this thread is teeming with it. We have a leading Minister from an ally nation announced their intention to begin ethic cleansing. If this was any other nation then the thread would be full of posts asking how this, or st least our role in this, can be stopped. Instead we have pages of posts clearly implying that it’s justified or we should only be talking about the October tragedy. I don’t understand how the announcement of ethnic cleansing by an ally could be met with anything other than universal outrage"

And I think most of the "pro Palestinian" marchers have the same grasp of the situation as you and @JadeHare. If they were more educated on the nuances and didn't believe the propoganda ( which to be fair is pretty heavy, similar to how it was in 30s Germany in fact..

With all your interest in Israel and Gaza you've never been aware of Islamism or Islamist's??Which I suspect if you now Google, you will find you don't agree with? Or maybe you do🙅‍♀️

I googled and this is what I got:

"Islamist" is not inherently an insult, but it is a highly loaded and contested term. Its meaning depends heavily on who is using it and the context in which it is spoken. 1]

  1. The Political/Academic Definition
In political science and journalism, an Islamist is someone who believes that Islamic principles and values should play a central role in political, social, and legal life. It describes a political ideology (Islamism) rather than just the personal religious faith of a Muslim. In this context, it is treated as a descriptive, academic term. 1, 2]
  1. How it Can Be an Insult
In Western political and media discourse, the term is frequently used as a pejorative or a "dog whistle." It is often used interchangeably with "extremist," "fundamentalist," or "militant," painting all forms of political Islam as regressive, anti-democratic, or violent. When used this way, it lumps mainstream, peaceful political participation together with terrorism, which causes many Muslims to find the label offensive or stigmatizing.
  1. How Muslims View the Term
Many Muslims and Islamic organizations reject or are uncomfortable with the word "Islamist." Because Islam is a comprehensive way of life that naturally informs a person's ethics, morals, and political views, many devout Muslims feel that drawing a strict line between being "Muslim" (religious) and "Islamist" (political) is arbitrary and made to demonize those who wish to live by Islamic tenets. 1] Summary: If you are using it to describe an ideology, it is a neutral political term. However, because of its frequent association with extremism and fear-mongering, it is very often perceived as a derogatory label. 1]

Islamism - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

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