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Conflict in the Middle East

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

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JadeHare · 27/05/2026 17:21

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation

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JadeHare · 22/06/2026 18:21

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 18:19

Sounds a bit like you're poo pooing my idea that Red can defend his own posts occasionally.

Not at all. You and Red can have handbags at dawn for all I care. I just like the arguments to be balanced.

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JadeHare · 22/06/2026 18:24

Anyway. I don’t want to be accused of being rude, or insulting. So will leave it there.

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TopPocketFind · 22/06/2026 18:26

Vance earlier today

"What we told the Iranians yesterday is that when you guys engage in what us millennials might call trash talk, you can't expect the president of the United States not to respond and not to correct the record."

I mean, that is quite rewrite of the threats that Trump made.

TopPocketFind · 22/06/2026 18:27

Trump on TS today

"Everybody is fully aware that Iran will agree to have Major Weapons Inspections in order to ensure 'Nuclear Honesty' long into the future. President DONALD J. TRUMP"

RedTagAlan · 22/06/2026 18:30

JadeHare · 22/06/2026 18:06

And for what it’s worthI agree with Red. Vance has had to do quite a bit of wriggling thanks to Trumps latest rants, which are in no way helping the talks along. And I have access to all of the internet.

Thanks.

Being in a country with limited internet and a top-down system does maybe give me a bit of an insight that maybe others have not experienced. I don't have many western news sites that suggest what I should think, so I have to sort of fill the gaps and do a lot of thinking for myself.

And I think, or I reckon, that is why I use the terms "I think" and "I reckon" so often.

MN is my only access to "the outside" where I can engage on a public forum. And while I do try to keep up with world news as much as I can, there is going to be gaps in what I know of current events.

I don't know what it is like to live in Iran. But I do know what it is like to live in a country that is usually (pre war) rated below Iran on internet freedom indices.

RedTagAlan · 22/06/2026 18:39

TopPocketFind · 22/06/2026 18:27

Trump on TS today

"Everybody is fully aware that Iran will agree to have Major Weapons Inspections in order to ensure 'Nuclear Honesty' long into the future. President DONALD J. TRUMP"

Just like the JCPOA ?

But then again, it appears Trump has messed up his language. The inspections are not about weapons. It's about uranium. Why is he now talking about weapons?

Or have I got that wrong?

JadeHare · 22/06/2026 18:45

It’s almost like nobody knows. From CNN:

In comments carried by the official Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA), Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said Iran’s interaction with the IAEA would proceed “in accordance with Iran’s obligations under safeguard agreements” and “in line with resolutions passed by Parliament and decisions of the Supreme National Security Council.”
Under a law passed by Iran’s parliament last summer, cooperation with the IAEA and inspections are suspended.

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JadeHare · 22/06/2026 18:46

And Vance has left the building.

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RedTagAlan · 22/06/2026 18:48

JadeHare · 22/06/2026 18:08

No. I am not. Didn’t even know Red was a man. How did you?

I was challenged on another thread. " Are you a man, I bet you don't reply"

I replied, yes, because I believe in honesty. That is why I post under a mans name after all.

Ohh, and now someone makes a point of making sure other posters on other threads know. Even though it is right there in my user name.

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 18:49

JadeHare · 22/06/2026 18:21

Not at all. You and Red can have handbags at dawn for all I care. I just like the arguments to be balanced.

Well for the arguments to be balanced I should have people rushing to answer for me every time someone questions me on this board but that doesn't happen 😢

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 18:50

RedTagAlan · 22/06/2026 18:48

I was challenged on another thread. " Are you a man, I bet you don't reply"

I replied, yes, because I believe in honesty. That is why I post under a mans name after all.

Ohh, and now someone makes a point of making sure other posters on other threads know. Even though it is right there in my user name.

I wasn't the one who asked you that question - to be clear.

Before people rush in to say that question was rude.

RedTagAlan · 22/06/2026 18:52

JadeHare · 22/06/2026 18:46

And Vance has left the building.

Rubio is on his way to the mid east though. According to news I seen anyway.

I wonder if Rubio will get a big plane, or will he get a wee one like Vance ?

I suspect a big one. I think Trump put Vance on a wee plane to embarrass him. Or punish him even. Get him to toe the line better. Keep him in his place.

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 18:54

@RedTagAlan it's ok to be a man on MN so I'm not making "a point" of making other posters know, like it's a bad thing.

Where I know someone's gender I use the correct personal pronoun. Like I refer to Dairy as "she."

I don't need to call you "they" because I know you identify as Male.

TopPocketFind · 22/06/2026 18:57

RedTagAlan · 22/06/2026 18:52

Rubio is on his way to the mid east though. According to news I seen anyway.

I wonder if Rubio will get a big plane, or will he get a wee one like Vance ?

I suspect a big one. I think Trump put Vance on a wee plane to embarrass him. Or punish him even. Get him to toe the line better. Keep him in his place.

From Sky

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio will travel to the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Bahrain over the coming days, a State Department spokesperson has said.

He will discuss the Iran memorandum of understanding and the Strait of Hormuz during his visit to the Gulf states from 23 to 25 June, the spokesperson told Reuters.

He's also set to attend a Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) meeting in Bahrain.

TopPocketFind · 22/06/2026 18:58

Also from Sky

Iran's top negotiator heading to Oman for talks

Iran's top negotiator Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf has left for a visit to Oman, according to his account on Telegram.

The post said Qalibaf would meet with Oman's Sultan during the visit and "discuss enhancing bilateral cooperation as well as joint efforts to stabilise Iranian arrangements for managing the Strait of Hormuz".

Foreign minister Abbas Araghchi is accompanying the negotiating team on the trip, it said.

JadeHare · 22/06/2026 19:05

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 18:49

Well for the arguments to be balanced I should have people rushing to answer for me every time someone questions me on this board but that doesn't happen 😢

But it’s ok to disagree surely? I don’t believe the IRGC should control Iran, I don’t think Hezbollah should be in control in Lebanon, and I don’t think Hamas should be in control in Gaza. Nor do I think that Israel should be allowed to get away with what they have been doing in the past 50 odd years, but has only recently become under scrutiny by the rest of the world. I have been fully aware of what Israel have been up to way before October 7th. I don’t like it, and I will fight against it. I am not saying Israel shouldn’t exist. I would like them to get back to their original boarders and stop fighting with all their neighbours. Seems like too big an ask under the present Israeli government.

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RedTagAlan · 22/06/2026 19:07

TopPocketFind · 22/06/2026 18:57

From Sky

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio will travel to the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Bahrain over the coming days, a State Department spokesperson has said.

He will discuss the Iran memorandum of understanding and the Strait of Hormuz during his visit to the Gulf states from 23 to 25 June, the spokesperson told Reuters.

He's also set to attend a Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) meeting in Bahrain.

I suspect Rubio has been given the Isreal and Lebanon bit. Article 1 of the MOU. And maybe the release of more funds too ?

DrPrunesqualer · 22/06/2026 19:10

RedTagAlan · 22/06/2026 18:48

I was challenged on another thread. " Are you a man, I bet you don't reply"

I replied, yes, because I believe in honesty. That is why I post under a mans name after all.

Ohh, and now someone makes a point of making sure other posters on other threads know. Even though it is right there in my user name.

At this point I think I should clarify I am not a Prune

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 19:15

All I want to know about Marco Rubio travelling to the UAE, Kuwait and Bahrain and Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf travelling to Oman is what size are their planes? Big ones or embarrassing ones?

JadeHare · 22/06/2026 23:21

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 19:15

All I want to know about Marco Rubio travelling to the UAE, Kuwait and Bahrain and Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf travelling to Oman is what size are their planes? Big ones or embarrassing ones?

No one is picking on anyone. We all hope for the best.

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ilovepuppies2019 · 23/06/2026 03:06

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 15:05

When they lose a war and have to give concessions maybe.

That's terrifying. As a very well funded ally of the West who are provided with weapons, unchecked political support and a free reign to do whatever they want with their neighbours, a basic level of checks and safety should be a given. If they're a democracy that can be trusted to govern with sense and never attack their neighbours without provocation then those checks should have been in place from day 1. I can't believe that we're living in a world where Iran are providing more transparency and oversight about their nuclear weapons than Israel. The West should implement the same procedures in response to Israel's unchecked nuclear ambitions as they have to Iran.

Let's not forgot that Israel have only 'won' the war because of the unending supply of weapons. If that changes, then I imagine that the Israel may seriously lose the war.

ilovepuppies2019 · 23/06/2026 03:09

I might be misremembering but didn't Obama already secure IAEA oversight over Iran's nuclear program? If so then the Obama deal is the very best Trump could hope for if he gives billions more to Iran than Obama did.

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 06:42

JadeHare · 22/06/2026 23:21

No one is picking on anyone. We all hope for the best.

Strange response to a post about the size of planes but ok.

JadeHare · 23/06/2026 07:53

From the ipaper:

“Trump, though, has rarely been a man who is overly concerned with formalities. And in his second term, the President seems to have dealt with his mistrust of the State Department’s career diplomats by simply bypassing them entirely – putting his billionaire buddy Steve Witkoff and Kushner in charge of the serious overseas negotiations which the US government is involved in.
The results so far have been mixed, to say the least.
Kushner’s peace deals often resemble what you’d expect a self-interested real estate guy to pull together. The US’s extended efforts to secure a long-term peace deal for Gaza resulted in wildly controversial plans for a “Gaza Riviera” luxury resort – the building of which would require billions of dollars and the relocation of most of the Palestinian population of the Gaza Strip.
Still, while Trump’s Board of Peace seems all but forgotten, and progress towards any kind of meaningful long-term deal for Gaza is non-existent, a shaky ceasefire is still largely holding, allowing vastly more aid to reach Gaza than was possible beforehand.
“That makes the Gaza deal a triumph compared with the initial Iran ceasefire agreement Kushner helped to broker, ahead of a more thorough deal. On first viewing, the 60-day agreement looks so bad for the US that even Trump-friendly media like Fox News have struggled to spin it as anything other than a disaster for the President and an admission of defeat for the US.
The deal benefits Iran in myriad ways, unfreezing billions of dollars of its assets, relaxing its sanctions and acknowledging its de facto control of the Strait of Hormuz. It also obliges the US to prevent Israel from launching further strikes on Lebanon – which is already proving an uphill challenge, given Israel is not a party to the deal.
But like its Gaza counterpart, the Iran deal contains plenty of opportunities for international investors like Kushner – including floating the possibility of a $300bn international reconstruction fund for Iran (with the money coming from Gulf states and private businesses). That’s exactly the kind of deal that Kushner likes to strike.”
“While America’s democratic allies in Europe and across the world struggle to get a handle on how to deal with Trump, countries in the Middle East find it a much simpler proposition. They know how to deal with men like Kushner. His lack of a government role in many ways makes things simpler – you can’t break the rules governing the conduct of federal officials when you just skip being an official in the first place.
Leaders in other parts of the world also find Kushner straightforward to deal with. In former Soviet republics that have descended into autocracy, doing deals with the son-in-law or other relatives of the president is simply how business gets done.
Still, there are signs that Kushner is stretched beyond his abilities. Earlier this month, Kushner’s wife Ivanka Trump revealed in a soft-soap podcast interview that she and her husband were developing an ultra-luxury resort on an uninhabited private island in Albania, telling the host a tale about how the two of them had discovered it while yachting in the region, and had walked it barefoot.
Ivanka had probably intended the interview as the start of an influencer marketing push for her “husband’s new project – but it prompted widespread public fury in Albania, which has spilled over into mass protests on the streets of Tirana, its capital.
Albania has almost no history of public protest, but the backlash against Kushner’s project is now so strong that it has birthed a political movement that might topple the government if not handled soon. That leaves Kushner with yet another crisis on his hands.”
“Trump’s son-in-law appears to be trying to be one of the US’s chief diplomats in his gap year, negotiating an end to conflicts in Gaza and Iran and occasionally trying to sort out a third in Ukraine. He also wants to maximise his global business prospects, his actual day job, while Trump is still in power and able to open doors for him.
Instead, he’s turning two separate deals into calamities – his luxury resort in Albania might bring down the government there, and his catastrophic negotiations in the Middle East might destabilise the entire region.
It’s obviously not supposed to work this way. Business and diplomacy are supposed to be separate. The US public is supposed to be confident that its politicians and officials are negotiating the best deal for America, not for themselves. The US is also supposed to be represented officially, not by whichever of the President’s friends or family are currently in favour. It’s clear that neither Trump nor Kushner cares much for such niceties.
Trump does, though, care about looking good – and he will throw out anyone who makes him look foolish. Kushner is now the architect of two Middle Eastern peace deals that that could rapidly fall apart at the seams, and is at the centre of a political uprising in a third, unexpected nation.
If Kushner isn’t careful that could start to look an awful lot like losing, and Trump doesn’t tolerate losers for long – even if they’re in his family.

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RedTagAlan · 23/06/2026 08:11

Plane size and how it projects power of a state.

"Every state visit turns a government aircraft into a stage for international diplomacy. The moment a presidential jet lands abroad, cameras capture not only the arriving leader but also the aircraft itself. Tail markings, manufacturer logos, aircraft size, and even paint schemes become part of the diplomatic performance.

Large widebody aircraft such as Boeing 747s and Airbus A350s project power, range, and prestige. Smaller business jets may emphasize efficiency, discretion, or fiscal restraint. In either case, the aircraft communicates political messaging before a single diplomatic meeting even begins."

The article I clipped that from is about heads of state, but it also applies to Ministers going to important state meeting. Anyone that follows Trump news will see the importance he puts on Government planes. It is a minor obsession with him. He has models front and center in near every WH bit of news filmed in the Oval office.

In the case of Vance, they put him on a small plane. The smallest in the large fleet. Was Trump trying to project "efficiency, discretion, or fiscal restraint.".

Apologies to the board posters. I assumed folk talking politics would be aware of this stuff, so I omitted to explain my posts, or post a link.

Government Jet Politics: Why Presidential Aircraft Are Really About Power, Prestige, And Geopolitical Strategy - Bolt Flight

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