US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

I don’t know what Trump was thinking promising that Israel are going to get out of Lebanon. Israel wasn’t going to agree and Iran can wait for the US to fail. Trump’s going to have to pull out the big guns to get Netanyahu to agree to this and that’s probably going to have to involve refusing US weapons. Why else would Netanyahu agree with an election just around the corner?

I see Trump’s back to his old tactics of threatening war crimes by destroying a country. Except this time no one believes him. Lindsey Grahaman is fantasising. Trump will not return to serious all out war with the mid terms around the corner. The idea of taking the Strair is ridiculous. They can’t take it! It only takes a speedboat for an Iranian to attack a Us war ship at the narrowest point. Besides didn’t we hear two days ago that Trump
was going to take Khar Island. He isn’t going to put boots on the ground because the casualties would destroy his administration.

Trump has lost control of this completely. All he can do is watch and threaten as Iran close the strait ans prove to US voters that Trump can’t even get one tiny part of the deal enacted.

Think about who is paying Hezbollah and why.

Yes and that’s why it’s on the MOU that Iran wants a ceasefire 😳

What you seem to be suggesting is that Iran is proposing a ceasefire/ MOU that it wants to fail from the beginning!

That would be an incredibly cunning way of Iran getting more egg on US face! But if you insist on thinking like this - please go ahead!

Where did I say that?

So what did you mean by this above quote @Twiglets1 if not to imply Iran are paying Hezbollah to continue to fight Israel to prevent a ceasefire- rather than as a consequence of IDF bombing and occupying Lebanon?

You might need to read the preceding quotes you were replying to @Twiglets1 to understand why I am bemused by your reasoning. But each to their own 😊

Talks have concluded for the day

Hussein Gurbanzadeh a member of Iran’s team negotiating with the US, told state television that talks on the opening day in Switzerland covered frozen assets as well as oil sanctions relief proposal

It’s Possible Israel is lobbying the US to stay in Lebanon irrespective of the MOU
They won’t want to retreat. A retreat means Theyve lost and Netanyahu doesn’t want to be seen as losing anything

‘ US pressure could be why Israel is minimising attacks on Lebanon

By Nida Ibrahim
Reporting from Ramallah, Palestine
We’re hearing a lot of emphasis on the fact that Israel is not withdrawing from southern Lebanon.

Military analysts are saying that it’s only allowed for the Israelis to attack a Hezbollah operative or someone who’s coming close to the troops there, but rather not being able to do more than that.

This restraint might be happening, but it is not publicly announced by the Israelis. And according to certain officials telling Channel 12, they believe that the American pressure on the Netanyahu government is the reason why the Israelis are trying to minimise their attacks on southern Lebanon, as well as on other areas while they continue to lobby and to talk about the need to stay in southern Lebanon.’
AlJazeera

What I meant was that Iran have been funding Hezbollah for years to fight Israel. We know this and we know that most recently (March 26), Hezbollah launched missiles towards Israel in retaliation for the killing of the Ayatollah.

However, I have not suggested that that Iran is proposing a ceasefire/ MOU that it wants to fail from the beginning.

My opinion is that Iran is quite likely to tell Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel within the next few days. They just haven't done it yet.

The poor dissidents that stood up to the regime deserve much sympathy. Trump didn't really help them. Although, it appeared that many (in Iran) seemed to support the regime, was that due to fear or genuine belief that the regime are their best choice. I don't know.

That might be why they were attacking Israel some time ago but they’re attacking now because Israel is occupying their country. 1 million people are displaced and Israel has issued do not return orders. Settlers will likely move in soon and Lebanon will be expected to cede their land. That’s simply not going to be acceptable to most Lebanese people as it wouldn’t be to us. Hezbollah are going to attack the IDF in an attempt to fight the occupation. Media reporting tells us that many Lebanese people see Hezbollah as the only group resisting the occupation. Israel have legitimised Hezbollah and their role in Lebanon.

Understandably, the overwhelming focus from most Lebanese citizens is going to be on how to secure their homeland, locate a meal, find shelter and not be blown up by the IDF. They’re not likely to be interested in the politics of the situation or the safety of Israelis right now.

Iran might tell them to stop attacking but I expect Hezbollah won’t be remotely interested while Israel occupy their home land.

We talk about everyone needing to stop, and I hope very much that it does. Israel will need to end their occupation of multiple countries. Their occupation creates the terrorists that they claim to fight.

Some time ago ... it was only March that Hezbollah decided to attack Israel again and it had the inevitable response from Israel.

It's chicken and egg ... the IDF are there because there was an attack on their civilians in Northern Israel. And now Hezbollah is upset that the IDF are there.

Hezbollah will do what the regime tells them to do because it's Iran who pays their wages.

The IDF are in Lebanon because it is their objective to
remove Hezbollah and
create a buffer zone on Lebanese land
Netanyahu said he won’t leave Lebanon until he reaches Israel’s goals. But his goals are to keep southern Lebanon as a buffer zone.

So
Never then

This from RTE

‘ Israeli soldiers are free to act without restriction to eliminate threats in Lebanon, Israeli Defence Minister Israel Katz has said, adding troops remained in position in what Israel refers to as a security zone. ( in Lebanon )

A ceasefire with Iran-backed Hezbollah took effect on Friday after months of escalating violence, but on Saturday Israeli strikes killed at least 20 people in Lebanon, Lebanon's state news agency NNA reported.
Israel said the strikes were a response to projectiles fired by the Iran-backed group at its troops in southern Lebanon, prompting attacks on what an Israeli official described as "Hezbollah targets".

A Hezbollah official told Reuters the group was committed to the ceasefire as long as Israel adheres to it, adding that Israeli forces do not have the right to freedom of movement in south Lebanon.
The official said Hezbollah forces have not fired on Israeli troops since Saturday.

Security sources told Reuters Israel had also launched no major strikes on Lebanon since the same time.

That represents the longest spell without major strikes since the war in Lebanon between Hezbollah and Israel began on 2 March.

When asked by Reuters about the last time Israel fired on Lebanon or engaged with Hezbollah, the Israeli military declined to provide a "specific time". The Israeli military did not immediately respond to a request to comment on the claim they have ceased firing on Saturday.

The Israeli military invaded parts of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah maintains it has the right to fight Israeli forces in Lebanon, but would halt attacks on northern Israel.
Minister Katz said Israeli troops would remain in all positions in what it calls a security zone, which extends about 10km into southern Lebanon.’

Quite obviously then
Hezbollah have said they won’t attack Israel
they however will attack anyone invading their land
ie the IDF
The MOU requires Israel to get out of Lebanon
That's not Netanyahus plan and he has said Israel won’t leave and will attack anyone that comes near them on Lebanons land.

It’s quite obvious the first thing to do is to make Israel retreat. As long as they remain Hezbollah has a right to defend Lebanon from invaders and Israel feels it’s their right to steal more land
Round and round we go

Dr Prune - the IDF weren't in Lebanon when Israeli civilians were attacked by Hezbollah in March. If Hezbollah wanted to invite the IDF into Lebanon, they succeeded. Otherwise, it was another miscalculation.

In more positive news this morning, Qatar and Pakistan mediators say that the first round of negotiations between the US and Iran to reach a final deal to end the war has ended with "encouraging progress".

In a joint statement early on Monday, Qatar and Pakistan said that a "High Level Committee" had agreed to "a roadmap towards reaching a final deal within 60 days".

Iran's foreign minister Seyed Abbas Araghchi said the talks "delivered major progress" to end the conflict in Lebanon.

The mediators' joint statement said that a "communication line" had been formed "to avoid incidents and miscommunication with the aim of safe passage for commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz".

Both sides also agreed to the creation of a "de-confliction cell" between the US, Iran and Lebanon, facilitated by the mediating countries, to end military operations in Lebanon, their statement said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy0q41v1lzo

Let’s hope Donald keeps his mouth shut so that everyone can stay at the negotiation table.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167736

3,798 deaths and 11,781 injuries since 2 March

Their observations include Israel Defense Forces (IDF) high-density armoured movements, sustained logistical traffic and large-scale engineering and demolition works across the area alongside reports of 26 violations of Lebanese airspace by the Israeli military between midnight and 4pm local time and one air attack.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/03/09/lebanon-israel-unlawfully-using-white-phosphorus

The Israeli military unlawfully used artillery-fired white phosphorus munitions over homes on March 3, 2026, in the southern Lebanese town of Yohmor, Human Rights Watch said today.

When US Vice President, JD Vance and the Iran delegation met in Switzerland with Qatar and Pakistan mediators, the President of the United States posted on his social media, "Iran must immediately stop their highly paid PROXIES in Lebanon from causing trouble. If they don't, we'll hit Iran very hard again, just like we did last week, only harder!!! President DONALD J. TRUMP" — 6/21/26 09:30

A vain hope! He's already making genocidal threats again. It's interesting how, when the IRGC have done this in the past, according to many, they fully deserve to be sanctioned for decades, have their money stolen by the US, have full scale war started against them, have their leaders assassinated, etc.
When Trump repeatedly makes genocidal comments, what happens?!

They used it in Gaza too 😡

The use of White phosphorous by Israel is a clear sign they are not and did not target just Hamas and Hezbollah.

It is completely indiscriminate

I’m not sure if it was just Hezbollah that broke the ceasefire in March.

On 17 October 2025, the UN rights office (OHCHR), states that despite the ceasefire, Israel continues to conduct almost daily attacks on Lebanese territory. These assaults have caused a rise in civilian deaths and injuries, as well as significant damage to infrastructure, homes, the environment, and vital agricultural areas that support civilian livelihoods.[78] Since the truce started, Israel's Defense Forces have confirmed over 500 airstrikes targeting what they identify as Hezbollah positions. The Armed Conflict Location and Event Data (ACLED), a conflict monitoring organization, documented 330 airstrikes and artillery attacks by Israel between November 27 and January 10, along with 260 incidents of property destruction.[79] Since the attacks on Lebanon began in October 2023, Israeli strikes have killed more than 4,000 people, injured nearly 17,000, and displaced over 92,000 individuals due to ongoing violence.[80] The United Nations has confirmed 127 civilian casualties in Lebanon, including 71 men, 21 women, and 16 children. Furthermore, there have been at least 19 cases of civilians abducted by Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon, which could lead to enforced disappearances.[81]

The number of vessels crossing the Strait of Hormuz is gradually increasing, with 32 ships transiting the waterway on Sunday.

The UK Maritime Trade Operations Centre (UKMTO) said whilst the number is rising, it is still short of pre-war levels.

Some 32 ships crossed the strait, facilitated by the US in the past 24 hours, following the upward trend in recent days.

Following the signing of the memorandum of understanding, UKMTO said attack in the strait “is possible but not likely” under current conditions, adding that on-water behaviour from Iran’s Revolutionary Guards has become less volatile.

On Saturday Tehran declared it had closed the strait again, accusing Israel of “violations” of the peace deal agreed with the US.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/22/iran-war-latest-news-us-peace-deal-talks-switzerland/

Inspections of Iran’s nuclear material could begin as soon as today, JD Vance has said, as peace talks continue in Switzerland.

The US vice-president claimed that Tehran had “agreed to invite” inspectors from the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency into the country this week to assess the state of Tehran’s 450kg of highly enriched uranium.

Earlier on Monday, Iran said there had been a “brief discussion” about its nuclear programme, but that “negotiations on the nuclear issue have not begun”.

The fate of Iran’s “nuclear dust”, as Donald Trump calls it, has been a key stumbling block in talks aimed at ending the war.

The nuclear material is believed to be buried underneath heaps of rubble following US-Israel strikes last year.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/22/iran-war-latest-news-us-peace-deal-talks-switzerland/

I wonder when the UN will be invited to inspect Israel’s nuclear weapons? 🤔