Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

People make their minds up about the pro Palestine marches from what they can see and people will make their minds up about these marches from what they can see. If inviting Nigel Farage, cheering on Badenoch and Tice and flying the Israeli flag are what British Jews think best represents them then fair enough, people will make of that what they will.

I have seen people say 'if the left aren't antisemitic then why don't they join these marches' but I think it's fairly obvious why they wouldn't want to march alongside the flag of a country that commits racial segregation and cheer on a man who couldn't find it in him to condemn a statement about 'melting down Nigerians to fill potholes'. There's a certain tone there that lots of people wouldn't feel comfortable with just like some people feel there is a tone to pro Palestine marches.

Is it the fault of Jewish people also @FloralDeerPattern that a Reform candidate made a disgusting post about Nigerian people & potholes?

The Left were represented at this protest against antisemitism by the way. They did join in.

Where did I say British Jews have nothing to do with Israel? All Jewish people can have anything they like to do with Israel. As can anyone else for that matter.

Just like every single other person in Britain, British Jews can define themselves, and wave any bloody flag they like WITHOUT it being an excuse for harassment, abuse, threats, violence or being killed.

They're not responsible for the actions of the israeli government, just as you are not responsible for the actions of Palestinian governments when you wave their flag either.

Moreover, they're not required to adopt your view on the actions of the Israeli government, nor anyone else's.

Not a single one of these river / sea charlatans would excuse this behaviour towards any other people, and all of us absolutely know it.

What would be very nice indeed is if people could start from the basis that they have no entitlement to decide on the political views of other people, and that we live in a liberal democracy where we do not harass, bully, demonise, stab, attack, set on fire or otherwise discriminate or attack people based on their race, religion or any country they are from, or identify with.

This movement is good old fashioned antisemitism and I use the word "liar" towards anyone who denies this very well evidenced reality.

I didn't say it was practiced in Israel. I said Israel commits racial segregation as per the ICJ.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/09/19/world-court-findings-israeli-apartheid-wake-call

Zack Polanski wasn't invited to speak at the rally against antisemitism because it is felt that he is part of the problem and instead of reflecting on why British Jews don't feel that Zack Polanski represents someone who will challenge antisemitism, the problem lies with British Jews?

The man sympathised with the terrorist who had just stabbed two Jews.

I didn't say it was anyones 'fault'. There have been tons of posts giving opinions on marches. I'm giving my opinion on a march that's all.

But a skewed one.

You said Badenoch and Tice spoke, but neglected to mention that Pat McFadden and Ed Davey also spoke. And a bishop and a Muslim leader. It was leaders from across the spectrum uniting to condemn antisemitism. Do you not think that's a good thing, uniting with people you might disagree with quite strongly, to condemn antisemitism?

It's my opinion. It will be as skewed as anyone else's opinion is. I don't mind if you don't agree with it.

I don't think cheering on people who refuse to condemn racism just because they condemn antisemitism is a good thing no. I don't think it unites people. I think it is divisive. You're a bigot but you are against antisemitism wooo!!

Tying yourself up in knots just to not agree with a demonstration to condemn antisemitism attended by people from across the political spectrum & also by a bishop and Muslim leader.

Not knots needed Twiglets. I don't agree with cheering on bigots as was done at this march. You don't seem to think it's a big deal because a Bishop and a Muslim leader went. My opinion and your opinion. We are both allowed to have them.

Like I said waving the flag of a country currently practicing racial segregation, coupled with cheering for a bigot who refused to condemn really disgusting racism for me sets a certain tone. Some people might be ok with that and that's fine, I'd never try and shut down their right to wave their flags and cheer on bigots I would just never choose to join in or be in the same vicinity as them.

That's fine @FloralDeerPattern l just hope you also apply those same principles to pro Palestinian marches because there will be people present at some of them who are undoubtedly racist, and who indulge in racist chants such as Globalise the Intifada & From the River to the Sea.

I don't attend pro Palestine marches either. I've been involved in organising fundraising through events etc, attended small local vigils, written to my representatives but I haven't attended any large marches. I don't want their rights to march taken away though.

This article is good and expresses quite a few of my feelings on last weekends march.
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/we-cannot-effectively-fight-antisemitism-if-we-tolerate-other-forms-of-hatred/amp/

You agree that they were right not to invite Zack Polanski to speak then, as he sympathised with the terrorist who stabbed two Jews?

I agree that if Polanski wasn't invited then Richard Tice shouldn't have been either. Because they both have tolerated openly racist/antisemitic candidates who should have been suspended before the local elections.

waving the flag of a country currently practicing racial segregation,
Israel does not practice racial segregation. Israeli Arabs have exactly the same rights as every other Israeli.

I agree that they can invite whoever they like, it's their march they can choose who they want speaking at it. I'm not the police 🤷🏻‍♀️

The landmark ruling of 19 July 2024 declared that Israel’s occupation of the Gaza strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, is unlawful, along with the associated settlement regime, annexation and use of natural resources. The Court added that Israel's legislation and measures violate the international prohibition on racial segregation and apartheid.

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/07/experts-hail-icj-declaration-illegality-israels-presence-occupied

He stabbed a Muslim too, just in case you wanted to include all his victims.

But you seem to equate being invited with ‘representing British Jews’ rather than ‘agreeing to tackle antisemitism’.

You said “If inviting Nigel Farage, cheering on Badenoch and Tice and flying the Israeli flag are what British Jews think best represents them then fair enough”

I don’t think the British Jew is allowing themselves to be represented by Ed Davey simply because he showed up. Or by a bishop.

You are picking out the people you don’t like who spoke and then claiming they ‘represent’ British Jews (note British Jews rather than people who are against antisemitism - you seem to think all attendees were Jewish?) when the whole point was to get a diversity of speakers.

No, I was focusing on the Jewish victims because we are specifically talking about his suitability to discuss antisemitism.

If you don’t like conversations about antisemitism to centre Jews, I can’t help you with that.

The muslim he stabbed was a flatmate who was trying to stop him from going out and harming others, in this case Jews.

Does that not make him a victim of stabbing then?

Zach Polanski saying he doesn't think the police handled the situation well isn't in the slightest bit antisemitic. It's idiotic, but it's not antisemitic.

Now you ARE being disingenuous! People living in Gaza and the West Bank are not Israel citizens. Israeli Arabs (20% of Israel's population) have all the rights every other Israeli citizen has, including being members of the Knesset and Judiciary.