Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

Does that not make him a victim of stabbing then? Ye gods! Nobody, but nobody, has denied the Muslim chap was a victim of stabbing. IMO he was very brave to have attempted to stop Essa Suleiman from committing attempted murder.

I didn't say it was antisemitic.

But if an antisemitic terrorist tries to murder two Jews in an antisemitic terror attack and the police heroically tackle him to the ground and wrestle the knife off him and your response is to publicly say that you were traumatised by how they treated the poor terrorist, then one may reasonably think that your sympathies lie with the antisemitic terrorist rather than the Jews he stabbed.

I never said they were. Try reading my post before calling me disingenuous. You are the second person today to call me names because you haven't read my post correctly. Israel practice racial segregation, I never said that they do it in Israel. Just because they choose to practise racial segregation in the land that they illegally occupy rather than Israel it doesn't make it any less of a crime.

I don't really know what to say about this to be honest. They invited a bigot to speak for diversity reasons? To be inclusive to bigots?

It was organised by over a dozen Jewish bodies, they wanted a bigot to speak at their rally. Phrase that however you want.

I mean I think that who you invite to your party says something about you. That's my opinion.

I'm not calling you names. It is my opinion that you have been disingenuous.
You 'never said that they do it in Israel' but perhaps you should have stated that clearly in your original post. Instead, your statement was that Israel practiced racial segregation, which they do not do with any Israeli citizen. It is only now that you have clarified that the report focuses only on Gaza and the West Bank and not Israel itself.

It wasn't a party?

They invited all main political parties. I'm no fan of Reform (understatement) but they're probably going to form the next government and quite a lot of people voted for them.

Well Israel do according to many world renowned institutions
learned in this area

Major human rights organisation's - Amnesty International,
Human Rights Watch,
UN experts,
and a 2024 International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruling

state that Israel practices institutionalised segregation, discrimination, and apartheid against Palestinians.

This system involves land seizures, restricted movement, and separate legal regimes in the occupied West Bank, while Palestinians within Israel face systematic inequality. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Aspects of Segregation and Discrimination:
…

Systemic Control: Israel is accused of using policies to confine Palestinians to dense enclaves while prioritising land for Jewish Israeli use.

Legal Status within Israel: Palestinian citizens of Israel (roughly 20% of the population) face institutionalised discrimination and inequality compared to Jewish citizens.

International Legal Findings: The ICJ in July 2024 found that Israel's policies in the West Bank break Article 3 of the UN treaty prohibiting racial segregation and apartheid.

While Israel does have domestic anti-discrimination laws, reports and legal rulings indicate that, in practice, a, systemic, and racialized separation is implemented, particularly regarding the Palestinian population

Then of course there’s the new death penalty

It wasn't a party?

I'm aware it was just a turn of phrase 😩

But a silly one. You're acting like they were inviting all their favourite people to hang out with, where in fact they were inviting the main political parties and some religious representatives to talk about challenging antisemitism.

The thing with these threads is that there always seems to be an undercurrent of 'anti semitism is wrong but some follow this with the inference that it is understandable because of the Gaza war. This is simply appalling....there is no excuse for anti semitiam full stop.

We really must try and not break the link between hate marches and the increasingly violent crimes instigated against Jews, violent rhetoric leads to violent action.

Agree with you @mids2019

Unfortunately, some replies indicate that the penny still has not dropped about antisemitism and hate marches.

Or it has but they don't care.

That's all antisemitism though.

Since time began, antisemitism was always based on the idea that it's okay to hate Jews because Jews are associated with evil.

The people who say "but Gaza" are antisemites, even if they're in denial.

Antisemites are always in denial. Nazi supporters didn't think THEY were evil. They thought JEWS were evil and deserved it.

Yes. I've seen cariacatures on social media expressing though hate filled ideas. Sadly, reporting on sites such as FB often means no action is taken which leads to peopel posting more and more extreme views.

'But Gaza' is often trotted out. No excuse at all since UK Jewish people are not involved in the conflict.

I didn't say it was a 'gotcha'. I do think that it is very clear, from your name calling of ZP, and the rather aggressive way you write that you can't stand him. I suspect that this has led to your double standards in the way you are making judgements. Here is the interview.
TP is anti semitic and Islamophobic and smirks when ZP talks about his own experience of anti semitism. ZP stays very calm, as you can see.

Zack Polanski appears to not consider that there might be a difference in experience for a Jew who is on the marches (presumably either chanting along to 'from the river to the sea' and crap about Zionists or somehow completely oblivious to it all) and one who is not on the marches who doesn't think calling for the destruction of Israel is actually a peace chant and who identifies as a Zionist because they think Israel has the right to exist.

Incidentally, when I started a few threads about Tommy Robinson's marches, there were people who rushed in to point out that there were black people in attendance therefore they couldn't be racist.

I didn’t see your threads about Tommy Robinson marches.

But re people saying they couldn’t be racist because some black people attended,
talk about you can’t argue with stupid.

How is Trevor Phillips antisemitic?
If person A says (I’m paraphrasing): 'Jews feel intimidated', person B replies: 'I’m Jewish and I don’t feel intimidated', and person A notes that person B is 'not all Jews' - how is that antisemitic?
Or did Trevor Phillips say something else?

Someone else kindly posted a link I watched that rather than your interpretation of the interview.

Name calling ZP😂 the reason people refer to him as a 'tit whisperer' humour 😉 is because he actually claimed he could grow women's breasts by hypnosis. Credibility out of the window 😂 amongst other things he has also claimed which were also lies.

TP isn't and doesn't say anything antisemitic.

Even the Metropolitan Polica are acknowledging the ProPal marches are hate marches.
"We have routinely seen arrests for racially and religiously aggravated public order offences, for stirring up racial hatred and for supporting terrorist organisations. It is not normal to see criminality of this nature or on this scale at what are billed as peaceful protests.
"We have had to intervene to change the route for 21 out of the 33 protests. On 17 of those occasions that intervention was necessary to protect Jewish communities because the organisers were trying to assemble near, march past or finish near synagogues. These marches always take place on Saturdays which is the Jewish holy day, when Jews are attending religious services. This only adds to the fears already being felt.
"These persistent attempts to assemble and march in this way, together with the prevalence of hate crime and support for terrorism, has led many Jewish Londoners to feel intimidated and afraid of these protests."

https://news.met.police.uk/news/4000-officers-prepare-for-day-of-protest-in-central-london-509274

Disturbing evidence that Quakers in Britain have spent £200,000 defending the right hold unrestricted protests outside synagogues, week after week. Happily they failed this time. But the Joseph Rowtree Trusts have deep pockets.

nicolelampert.substack.com/p/a-quaker-asks-do-we-have-an-antisemitism

"We have had to intervene to change the route for 21 out of the 33 protests. On 17 of those occasions that intervention was necessary to protect Jewish communities because the organisers were trying to assemble near, march past or finish near synagogues. These marches always take place on Saturdays which is the Jewish holy day, when Jews are attending religious services.

That says quite a lot about the protests.

What like they want to protest at the BBC?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/09/met-bans-pro-palestine-march-from-gathering-outside-broadcasting-house

Not quite sure what your point is? The article you’ve linked says:

Protesters were planning to gather outside Broadcasting House in Portland Place on Saturday before marching to Whitehall. On Thursday evening, police said they had imposed the Public Order Act to prevent the rally from gathering in the area as it risked causing “serious disruption” to a nearby synagogue on the Jewish holy day, as congregants attend Shabbat services.

Should the protesters’ wish to gather outside the BBC premises trump the wishes of Jewish congregants not to be disrupted on their way to Shabbat services?

What a strange thing for them to waste their money on.