Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

Yup, you really don't get it. Oh well.

Regarding Flotilla, I came across this video of Indonesian Flotilla activists entering Indonesia.

At 14:02, what a powerful, empowering speech! I couldn't take my eyes off the female activist's eyes, full of determination and strong will. I was curious about what they said because I was amazed to see so many reporters at the airport, and I was impressed by her strong will. I googled her and found out that she's Maimon Herawati, a lecturer at an Indonesian university who founded two NGOs.

At 25:07, when a male activist talked about being subjected to brutal treatment, yet he cried, saying the suffering that the Palestinian brothers and sisters are enduring is far greater at that moment, I could feel their strong sense of empathy.

Below is an unofficial English translation of Maimon Herawati's interview, in case someone might be interested.

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Maimon Herawati:
One sanction has already been imposed: specifically, Ben Gvir cannot come to France. This is an effort that I think must be continued. Whilst our friends were in prison for four days, we must note that more than 9,000 Palestinians are still languishing in prisons. The torture experienced by my friends is nothing compared to the torture experienced by the Palestinian people. Dr Husam Abu Safiya, from Kamal Adwan Hospital – the head of Kamal Adwan Hospital – is still imprisoned. Why? Because he refused to stop treating Palestinians. Dr Adnan Al-Bursh died; he was tortured in an Israeli prison. Look at what they do in front of the camera; it is nothing compared to what they do behind the camera. What they do to people with strong passports is not the same as what they do to the Palestinian people. The Palestinian people have no legal power because there is an administrative detention system, where one can be imprisoned for six months without any charge. More than 9,000 are currently in prison. I hope media colleagues highlight all of this. Four hundred of them are children, more than two hundred are women, and all are experiencing torture beyond human limits. Please, this then becomes… We set off because we wanted to free Palestinian prisoners, so the work is not finished. The work is not finished until all Palestinian prisoners are free.

One thing people think: "Oh, the 'Ship of Peace' was powerful." What happened was that at the signing of the "Ship of Peace," Israel controlled 53% of Gaza's land. Fifty-three per cent of Gaza's land was marked with a yellow line. The agreement was that when the last Israeli Defence Force (IDF) body was handed over, the IDF would leave Gaza. Do you know what happened? Now the IDF controls 64% of Gaza's land. They keep encroaching metres into Gaza, so only 36% of the land remains for Gaza. Two million people live on 36% of the land in Gaza. This is not a ceasefire. This is genocide. And we must know, and we must continue to fight. Why does Indonesia owe a debt of gratitude? When Indonesia was not yet independent, the Palestinian Mufti, Sheikh Amin al-Husseini, spoke on German radio saying, "Indonesia independent." It was a kind of hope, a kind of assistance to build, so that Indonesia truly entered the international narrative. In 1948, a rich Palestinian media owner named Ali Tahir gave all the money he had in the bank to the committee preparing for Indonesian independence. We, as a nation, owe a debt of gratitude to the Palestinian nation. And this debt of gratitude was also remembered by President Soekarno, who said that the unfinished business from the Asia-Africa Conference was the independence of the Palestinian nation.

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It’s not a case of people wanting things to go badly for Trump at all. A lot of people are pissed off because we have reached this point because of Trump, and for what? We still have the IRGC, Iran still has it’s enriched uranium, and people all over the world are suffering because there was no plan, and we are worse off than we were before this idiotic war started.

I know what I see and you saying “Iran still has its enriched uranium” is yet another example of it.

Why wouldn’t Iran still have its enriched uranium when the deal hadn’t been signed yet - even the partial deal that it seems they will start with hadn’t been signed yet?

This is from the Foreign ministry.

If You don’t like the author that’s your problem.
your previous comment was factually inaccurate.
Proof given

Further more. My post was not propaganda

Definition of propaganda which I think is well worth posting here

Propaganda is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude, opinions, or behaviour of a community to support a specific cause or agenda. Rather than presenting objective facts, it selectively uses arguments, half-truths, or loaded language to trigger emotional rather than rational responses.
Wikipedia +2
Key subtopics and historical realities of propaganda include:

1. The Core Techniques

Propagandists use several well-documented methods to manipulate audiences:

Bandwagoning: Encouraging people to adopt a belief because "everyone else is doing it."

Name-Calling: Using derogatory labels to create fear or prejudice against a person, group, or policy.

Card Stacking: Deliberately omitting contradictory facts or heavily emphasizing only one side of an argument

Thankyou for posting this

a humbling read

Iran fund Hamas, so I'm not sure them being big fans of the flotilla is a good look for the flotilla.

Also, if I don't like the Iranian foreign ministry that's my problem? Are you sure?

You said no country involved in the negotiations agrees with the actions of the Flotillas. In fact you said ‘you know’ what these people are thinking. You!

Your statement of what you claim to know is factually untrue and proved as such

Everything else you are using to deflect from that is pure
deflection

and
falls into the definition of propaganda.

More guesses and assumptions just as @BelleHathor has also pointed out
Perhaps that’s all that’s left

I didn't say no country involved in the negotiations. I said the people involved in the complex negotiations and I was rather thinking about the people negotiating on our side of things, where the flotilla members (I assume) tend to come from, not our enemies'.

The fact that our enemy approves of the flotilla is not a positive for the negotiations from our point of view.. Assuming that you are not on the side of Iran.

and Lebanon on the Flotillas

Rejection of Blockade: Lebanese officials and political representatives have historically viewed the flotillas as legitimate international solidarity efforts against the blockade of Gaza, using official statements to denounce any forceful interception of civilian vessels carrying humanitarian aid. 1, 2, 3]

Public & Political Sentiment

Widespread Condemnation: Across a highly fractured political spectrum, representatives from varying Lebanese factions have consistently aligned to condemn Israeli raids on Gaza-bound aid ships, characterizing the actions as violations of international law.

Solidarity With Activists: Lebanese citizens and local activist networks closely track the treatment of participants aboard these vessels, amplifying reports of mistreatment to highlight the broader humanitarian crisis in Palestine. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

You were rather thinking about the people on ‘our side’

Interesting to know that you know them all very personally since you have such an insight into what you know they think
What are you The Mentalist

Shame you didn’t say what you now say you meant to say in the first place, though I do doubt that anyway.
I won’t speak for others even on here but I know I see this as an attempt at saving face in backtracking

For now I’m done with posters that try to change their narrative when caught out on a falsehood

When I said that, I rather assumed that we were on the same side of the negotiations with Iran. My mistake.

To get back to the topic of the thread - the situation for Palestinians is insufferable and the events that that have come to light even during the course of this thread tells us that we need to sanction Israel as soon as possible, shout for aid to be allowed in and for the killing to stop under the fake ‘ceasefire’ in Gaza, the pogroms in WB and now the bombings in Lebanon too.

Netanyahu is not going to stop the bombings in Lebanon or Gaza or the state backed settler terror in WB or the abuse and torture in prisons for as long as it will get him votes and he will attempt to conflate Judaism with Zionism for as long as it suits that purpose - to shut people up.

Wondering how marches can continue peacefully and effectively.

Find this piece from last year by Joshua Alston interesting. Worth reading in full but some excerpts for non linkers:

Mythologies around British Jewish views on Israel, and their putative influence on government policy, end up placing diaspora Jews as a sort of firewall between our government and the Israeli government. This protects the British government, who can frame their passivity in the face of Israel’s war crimes as a matter of balancing the competing interests of different communities, rather than protecting their strategic and economic interests in the Middle East. Right wing Jewish organisations such as the Board of Deputies being more than happy to acquiesce in this (largely for their own personal reasons).

Regarding building coalitions of peace in the community:

The British Jewish community is not uniformly supportive of Israel or its political actions, despite some Jewish political organisations and many government figures finding it useful to present us as such. Nor should those invested in Palestinian solidarity romanticise the British Jewish community as wholly allied to their goals.

There are two approaches to Palestinian solidarity work within the British Jewish community:
One goal, and for me the most significant one is to build a coalition against the actions of the Israeli government which includes a majority of British Jews, working within the ideas about Israel established within the community. British Jews may be open to the goals of the Palestinian solidarity movement but find its framing off-putting and vaguely threatening. Sympathy for peace, and widespread support for an Oslo-style process means that there is potential support for a ceasefire. While BDS as a whole program is tarnished by years of campaigning against it within the community, it might be possible to build support for individual campaigns of boycott, divestment and sanctions, particularly if they are explained and justified using the frame of peacebuilding. To build this coalition might require rhetorical compromise and using language and ideas which are different to the ways in which the left has traditionally approached building coalitions on the issue with other communities.
Another more complicated and probably less impactful approach would be to try and challenge hostility to pro-Palestinian framings within the community, and to convince them that they have nothing to fear from the Palestinian solidarity movement. This is a challenge to do from outside the community, as non-Jews often lack the credibility to persuade Jews as to what is and isn’t a threat to their community, and the sense of threat is reinforced by high profile incidents such as the recent attack in Boulder. This is best done in situations where trust has already been established through careful community work.
Building coalitions with the Jewish community on Israel/Palestine issues is of deep personal importance to me, as a Jew on the left. It is also strategically useful to the left (although shouldn’t be the only priority). Governments have sought to use Jews as an alibi to explain their continued support for Israel through framing every criticism of Israel as antisemitic or implying that this is the way that Jews think. Having a broad movement on the issue that includes diaspora Jews can go some way to negating this argument and keeping my community safe from the violence encouraged by the belief that British Jews are an extended arm of the Israeli government.

edited to link
https://bright-green.org/2025/06/29/what-do-british-jews-actually-think-about-israel-and-why-does-this-matter/

The topic of the thread isn't about Palestinians. It's about Jewish people in the UK. What's happening/happened in Gaza isn't down to Jewish people in the UK. It should be that simple, no attacks, no antisemitism, no hate, no blame, everyone needs reminding of that.

Exactly, there are so many threads about Palestinians and about Gaza.

Don't Jewish people in the UK deserve to have one thread on this board that acknowledges the growing antisemitism they face in the UK as a result of wars in the Middle East that they are not a part of?

Antisemitism in the UK should be of concern to all of us who want minorities to feel safe and wanted in our towns and cities.

Well let's be accurate the thread was fairly on track discussing the rise of antisemitism in the UK and the marches (as per thread title by the awol op) until @KatiePricesKnickers threw in a post about the flotilla which you were the first to respond to and the thread then changed direction after that.

That's a fair point that threads often go off topic and need to be bought back onto topic after a detour.

What was striking about the detour by @Ellen2shoes however was that she claimed she was returning to the topic of the thread and then talked about Palestinians, Gaza, the WB, Lebanon ...

Getting back to the topic of the thread would be getting back to discussing the rise of antisemitism in the UK and the marches.

@Ellen2shoes
thanks for that link

Given posters reactions to your post I’m guessing they haven’t read it all or/and haven’t read the attached link because it’s perfectly on thread
very interesting and
looks to a way forward

Heres just one paragraph from it to show it’s on thread
( although yes I agree conversations have already moved off topic on this thread )

‘ The idea that British Jews are uncritically supportive of Israel, or more egregiously represents some sort of extended lobby for Israel in the UK, fuels antisemitism (it should be noted that even if British Jews were uncritically supportive of Israel this would not justify attacks on them). CST statistics have shown a significant spike in antisemitic incidents in the last eighteen months, much of which has been characterised by the idea that British Jews are collectively responsible for the state of Israel.’

Ellens post discusses this idea does not in fact materialise when it comes to Palestine and further discusses ways forward.

If I’m right Ellen you are the poster who has talked about communities coming together in understating before.
It may be a long road and not without difficulties but surely it’s a very worthy road to follow

What the fuck?

I repeat: Antisemitism in the UK should be of concern to all of us who want minorities to feel safe and wanted in our towns and cities.

Imagine if I replace the word Antisemitism with Islamophobia

Would you still rush in to say "except for .... and name certain Muslims who have done things you disagree with. Or would you allow the statement to stand?

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There’s nothing currently wrong or unlawful about British citizens fighting with the IDF

1. Legitimate Foreign Armed Forces
UK citizens (particularly those with dual citizenship) are permitted to serve in the officially recognized, sovereign armed forces of other nations. For example, British nationals routinely serve in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) or complete mandatory national service in other countries, as the UK government generally respects the right of citizens to serve in the recognized militaries of countries where they hold additional nationality. 1, 2, 3]
2. The Foreign Enlistment Act 1870
Under this legislation, it is technically an offense for a British citizen to enlist in the military or navy of a foreign state that is at war with a "friendly state" (a state not at war with the UK). However, this law has rarely been enforced in modern times and has significant loopholes; it does not typically prevent individuals from joining the forces of foreign nations fighting non-state actors, combating terrorism, or engaging in civil conflicts. 1, 2, 3]

So because a tiny number of British-Israeli citizens - who probably happen to be Jewish - decided to join the Israeli army after it suffered one of the first terror attacks in history there can't be a discussion about antisemitism in the UK?

As for no one wanting to live next to a potential war criminal, the word potential is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Every Jewish person (and every person) is potentially living next to an antisemite, or a terrorist, or a murderer or rapist or serial killer.

Of course there can be discussion about antisemitism in the UK,who said that their couldn't be? What a strange post.