Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

How can it be incomprehensible why we mock the activists when several people have explained that we find them performative and achieving nothing?

It's actually very clear why some people are getting sick of their antics, including the Basque police on this occasion.

Perhaps these activists could lend a hand for the Basque Separatist movement? Can't help but feel theres an opportunity to help indigenous people get their own State here...

The protestors and their ‘antics’ are so much easier to talk about than the sadistic torture of prisoners endemic in the Israeli regime

Both can be discussed and have been on here

How can it stop if attention isn’t drawn to it? Would you prefer that it continued without scrutiny?

Right, so you agree that the flotilla should have expected torture and poor treatment but you don't think that they were expecting poor treatment and weren't planning to use this against Israel?

No I don't think thatm, I was trying to clartify what you thought

and weren't planning to use this against Israel?
Again this is what you think not me! You can't use anything against anyone if they don't commit the crime in the first place. Who filmed it and released the footage? wasn't the activists

The 4 people? there is an investigation looking into it

Disagree it is highlighting the abuse and power at play and how Israel block aid into Gaza it demonstrates what Palestinians are dealing with and shines a light on Israeli government "values". it has put Gaza back in the news

It will stop when Palestinians get their own State where they can have control of their lives and futures.

This rubbish does nothing to further that aim.

What it does is further more division and hatred. Sailing into a war zone is open provocation. Ben-Givr is an odious human being who's fucked the cause of Israel many times over, and those injuries are also an abhorrent disgrace to a country who is supposed to be setting itself on higher moral ground than terrorists. More division, more hatred, more injuries, no healing no common ground no bridges built.

Sorry if I don't emote on cue for the fuckwit activists who sailed into this of their own volition. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don't say it's their fault, I do not feel any sympathy for them though.

I'll change my mind about their motivations when you show me how this selfie cruise to a war zone has helped further a 2SS rather than being just a mission to highlight the atrocities of Israel.

Where are all the usual comments about not trusting internal investigations

Do you have information on how Spain conduct their internal investigations to suggest that there is an issue with them?

The reason people don't trust Israeli investigations is because they are not transparent and nothing ever comes of it

The activists have become the story & they have become the focus of media attention.

No their treatment has. There was barely a whisper about them before that

In my opinion the reason people automatically distrust Israel internal investigations is for a darker reason linked to antisemitism.

Yeah it has nothing to do with statistics like this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/25/no-israel-prosecutions-for-killing-palestinian-civilians-in-occupied-west-bank-since-start-of-decade

Yep, always a reason to excuse

In my opinion
Yes just that

I base my opinion on evidence of their track record

So come on then. How has the stupid selfie cruise furthered Palestinian civilians getting their own State where they can be free of persecution from Israel?

If this is how they treat Europeans - it doesn’t bode well for how they treat Palestinians who wont have as much public scrutiny on their maltreatment - for example corroborating medical reports.

As to whether this helps Palestinians - I think it indirectly by highlighting Israeli intransigence. It makes countries see limits of negotiation and that other actions like sanctions are required. There’s much more discussions around this in Europe, which are not only driven by Israel’s actions themselves eg in the West Bank but also continued concerns raised by citizens of European countries. The articles in the newspapers about the flotilla add to this.

And how does 'highlighting Israeli intransigence' help to build the bridges that will be necessary to finally bring this conflict to an end?

I get how it highlights Israeli brutality.

I don't get how that actually helps?

Talk me through it?

So you agree that the activists treatment has become the story.

Not the thing they supposedly wanted to achieve which they don't seem to be achieving at all.

As @dairydebris questions, How has this selfie cruise furthered Palestinian civilians getting their own State?

Hasn’t gone down to well world wide.

The softly softly diplomatic approach hasn’t worked.

The Israelis themselves need to call for change in the actions of their leadership.

This is not to say that all Israelis support actions of Netanyahu’s government and we will see how the new Israeli government will act towards the settlements increasing, for example.

Israelis probably do feel isolated but they have a choice ahead of them. Seeing impact of sanctions and review of trade / cultural / academic links gives them further pause to think of who they want to vote for and what kind of country they want to live in? Particularly when support in the US is also declining.

Perhaps they will see that there is a repercussion for the political choices they make in their leadership.

For example
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/belgium-refuses-to-renew-passport-of-israeli-citizen-who-lives-over-green-line-mfa-says-measures-taken-against-disgraceful-move/ar-AA231U11

Criticism of the actions of Ben Gvir towards the activists has been robustly condemned by pretty much everyone including Netanyahu.

Are you privy to the results of all their internal investigations? No.

But you will base your opinion on the evidence you think you know.

So at this point we're admitting the aim of the flotilla is to deliberately put themselves in harms way to allow for the very likely possibility that they will be in some way mistreated by the Israeli authorities thereby generating more terrible press for Israel ( well deserved especially in Ben-Givr's case ).

Nevermind actual aid! Chuck it in the sea. Nevermind actual dialogue! Keep the focus on themselves- that's the important bit..

In which case Bravo! How brave of them to sacrifice themselves to this cause, risking injury and detention for the greater good of highlighting how awful Israel is! They've been super effective! Silly old Israel falling into their trap! And now everyone is talking about them and not what's happening to Gazans still trapped between Israel and Hamas... but they're heros! Peace activists! Got their pictures in the paper rather than any serious issue affecting the actual victims of this conflict! Hooray!

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