Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

Stand by it all you want as I said I'm not here arguing the rights and wrongs of flotillas, I'm arguing the wrongs of their treatment by the IDF and Israeli government. The treatment once again shines a light on IDF and Israeli governments disregard for international law and demonstrates their brutal treatment of innocent civilians. I despair for the Palestinians exposed to this abuse and bullies if this is what they do in front of cameras.

@Boolabus Ben Gvir is part of the coalition government yes and I agree that he is not the only one who has come out with extreme views. I never referred to "all one man" so please don't call me naïve for your false interpretation of what I said. The Israel government does have an element within it that are extremist, unfortunately.

They don't make up the whole government however. Even Netanyahu has distanced himself from Ben Gvir's behaviour with the activists and said that his behaviour was “not in line with Israel’s values and norms".

Even Netanyahu has distanced himself from Ben Gvir's behaviour with the activists and said that his behaviour was “not in line with Israel’s values and norms".
Ooh what a rebuke, distancing himself would be firing him. It was just a pathetic attempt of damage limitation with zero action behind it.

Yeah I stand by it too.

People pretending laughing about the futillas equates to laughing about kidnapping and abuse aren't worth engaging with.

The futillas are a joke and it's ok to hold that opinion just as it's ok for people to hold the opinion that the IRGC sponsored Lego videos are just a joke and very clever. We don't all have to agree on what others find funny.

I laughed at Twiglets joke about self perpetuating flotilla.

You made a leap from that that I am in favour of kidnapping, violent abuse and humiliation.

I pointed out my laughter indicates nothing apart from that I thought twiglets was funny and that I don't have a massive problem with self promoters on the futillas being humiliated.

You then went on to tell me how much you disagree with Israeli government actions ( even though it was Spanish government actions we're referring to ) and how much you despair for Palestinians ( even though this is a thread about antisemitism and the marches ).

Frankly, I cant keep up.

Well I definitely can't keep up with anyone that finds anything about this amusing. Shame Israel don't allow adequate aid to the people in Gaza making the impetus for these flotillas redundant.

I think there are a few things to consider when watching the footage (which is undeniably shocking)

1. beardy flotilla guy is probably the most responsible for what happened. He was up for a ruck and shoving police officers around is not a good idea

2. the situation was heading south, rapidly. The protestors starting to jump the barricades was a clear sign of control being lost. The police would have been able to feel that and needed to reassert control quickly or all hell could break loose.

3. to de-escalate, the flotilla people needed to be removed, but they were not co-operating

4. this all happened extremely quickly

5. they were in an airport. Security is (as we all know) necessarily far more tight in airports and much more assertive. Push around security at an airport and you are lucky not to be shot.

I do agree with your points. As I said knowing the group was out there waiting for the people should a better plan have been made for control beforehand. It was a situation where no one comes out well from it. What I found shocking was continuing to hit someone when they were on the ground and covering their body with their hands.

And people finding it amusing.

I actually disagree that it was the people on the flotilla who were humiliated. I think Israel was. Israel(once again) showed the world their morals and values. Not just with the way that they treated the activists but the smirking, the filming, the releasing of the film and the general reaction from within Israel of oh gosh why did they film and release that, now we look like bad guys, instead of the normal reaction which would have been why is this happening, this government needs to go. Having it laid bare just how morally bankrupt your government is and the fact that the population put up with it time and tima again, that's embarrassing.

Agree this should have been managed better by the airport

People are forgetting these people have just been illegally taken off their boats in International waters and then humiliated and subjected to methods of torture by the Israeli Government. and that’s just what we’ve seen!

Obviously the press and supporters would be there in large numbers. The police over reacted with shear brutality

How anyone can think this is funny, how anyone can revel in this brutality indicates clearly they have normalised the abuse and ill treatment of our fellow human beings

People finding a comment amusing not the situation itself which was shocking/tiresome depending on point of view but not funny anyway.

@FloralDeerPattern is it "embarrassing" for other populations too when their government do or say things many disagree with? Is it embarrassing for Palestinians to have Gaza ruling them or embarrassing for Iran to have the IRGC ruling them or embarrassing for Russians to have Putin ruling them or ... I could go on.

Or is it just Israel where you feel you have the right to decide for the population what is embarrassing for them?

Who are you accusing of revelling in the brutality? It's quite a claim and I'm starting to find your language offensive.

It has been explained so many times - no one can still be in any doubt - that the humour was regarding a verbal comment made by Israel and nothing to do with physical harm - so why are you continuing to misrepresent this?

I object strongly to my life in the U.K. being disrupted by these marches and my taxes being used to police them.
Considering the major contributions made by Jewish people to our society I struggle to understand anti-semitism, but I don’t have a problem with criticism of Israel’s disproportionate overreaction and appalling flouting of human rights laws. That is not being antisemitic - it is criticising the actions of the Israeli state. The two are entirely different.

I wasn’t here during the earlier discussion and have every right to comment as and when I wish

Comments not already highlighted by others here

’actually on second thoughts I’ll allow humiliation, the flotilla is a joke’
—that’s against Human Rights

• ( Human Rights: Under Article 3 of the Human Rights Act, it is illegal to subject anyone to torture or to "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".)

There are Further comments identified here by other posters.
It’s sad that some don’t see that.
but as I said
it seems to have become normalised like water off a ducks back.

It terms of what you think about my comments. Your perception of my posts are not something I can help you with
I stick to the facts and call out those that ignore or inflame them. If you are part of the later it doesn’t surprise me that you may find my comments challenging, if not I can’t help

I do appreciate understanding the mindset of people who are not like minded. That doesn’t mean I have to agree of course.

I’ll leave it there. Katies post, re the flotilla, was a derail anyway and I’m fully aware how others often don’t like that.

These are your first words on it
It amused me that even Spain couldn't put up with their bullshit

Whether intended or not to me it suggests you on some level agreed with the Israeli response to the activists. I mean they can no longer put up with their bullshit can they so let's brutally assault them.

If I'm wrong in that interpretation what did you mean by it?

You think you're amazing saying you "stick to the facts and call out those that ignore or inflame them" at the same time as using inflammatory language like
"how anyone can revel in this brutality indicates clearly they have normalised the abuse and ill treatment of our fellow human beings".

Not one single person has revelled in the brutality of the airport police so no, you aren't sticking to facts by implying that they have.

You can comment how you want but equally I can and have commented back that I am starting to find your language offensive.

Not interested in a pile on which is what this has become (shock).

So my last comment on the matter is that I made a comment about Spain, who are very sympathetic normally to pro Palestinian activists.

I made no comment about the Israeli response to these activists beyond saying that I did not agree with Ben Gvir's taunting of the activists while their hands were bound.

I think the rules are "I should be treated with empathy and understanding of my point of view. You should be treated with outrage, horror and condemnation."

It was my understanding also

meanwhile
The flotilla activists have brought to the fore the clear, past and present dangers Palestinian detainees experience under Israeli custody.

Outrage and horror is surely what everyone should feel

I don't consider asking for clarity on your own words a pile on. I won't ask again so.

Agree @Stirabout

Yeah I'll save my outrage and horror for people who haven't deliberately sailed into a war zone to promote themselves and then cried over the absolutely 100% predictable consequences.

Twiglets your joke was spot on in highlighting the futility and self regarding nature of these flotillas. If others choose to extrapolate and find offense then let them knock themselves out. Once every so often I still have a little giggle over the attack seagulls.

They weren’t in a war zone
They were in International waters

Read the news

Oh so they weren't intending to sail to Gaza with their symbolic aid? Lol. Even more pointless self promotion then.

They chucked it into the sea, which was extremely bizarre and not at all environmentally friendly.