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Conflict in the Middle East

Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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mids2019 · 05/05/2026 06:30

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

‘A test of our values’: Starmer to call for whole-society response to rising antisemitism

PM will say responsibility to stand with Jewish communities lies with ‘every one of us’ at event on Tuesday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-call-society-response-rising-antisemitism

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Stirabout · Yesterday 01:52

rainingsnoring · Yesterday 01:41

No, that's not what she (or he) is saying at all!

The very long post that @Stirabout is very worth reading. It applies to all of us and was clearly a general comment, rather than something directed at you.

Thanks for backing me up on that

I am a she

rainingsnoring · Yesterday 01:58

Stirabout · Yesterday 01:51

Thanks

We recently bought ‘The matter with things’ for our son who’s studying neuroscience.
How interesting you’ve mentioned him here

How nice that you've heard of him! I haven't read any of his books. They are huge and I just don't have the time, sadly.
I have listened to him on a number of podcasts though. His knowledge across so many different topics is quite incredible and the way he describes the left brain dominance in today's society and the negative effects rings so true to me. I like how he talks about the importance of wonder and awe and truth in a non literal sense. Overall, I find most of what he says really resonates with me.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 06:16

Looking forward to more empathic understanding on this thread and on this board - maybe it will be a nicer place to visit in future with fewer personal attacks. One can but hope!

There has been a distinct lack of empathy with the hate marches (not the peaceful protests) and one sign of this is the insistence on chants that some people - particularly Jewish people - have said they find antisemitic and intimidating, even if those doing the chanting don't believe they are doing anything wrong.

Another sign is holding marches or protests right after an extremely upsetting event such as the attack on Israel on 7/10/23 or the Manchester synagogue attack. Unfortunately, there were marches and protests immediately after both attacks, and the public were asked politely not to organise or attend protests after the one in Manchester but chose to do so anyway.

Islandsofsand · Yesterday 07:41

rainingsnoring · Yesterday 01:58

How nice that you've heard of him! I haven't read any of his books. They are huge and I just don't have the time, sadly.
I have listened to him on a number of podcasts though. His knowledge across so many different topics is quite incredible and the way he describes the left brain dominance in today's society and the negative effects rings so true to me. I like how he talks about the importance of wonder and awe and truth in a non literal sense. Overall, I find most of what he says really resonates with me.

Thank you both- will look for the podcasts.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 08:26

rainingsnoring · Yesterday 01:49

It isn't important to me to use that particular phrase. It is widely used and understood so I used it as a short hand to reference a concern, quite a few posts back now. I won't use that particular phrase on here again because you clearly find it offensive.
I don't think that jumping in with accusations of 'anti semite' are at all helpful though nor conclusions about Jews wanting to dominate the entire world.
None of this is at all helpful in reducing attacks on entirely innocent Jews, Muslims, Sikhs or people of any religion going about everyday life in communities across the world.

It isn't widely used. I've just looked through news reporting from several UK and US news outlets regarding the aforementioned election, and none of them are using 'Jewish Lobby' to describe pro-Israeli funding. Neither do they identify Paul Singer and Miriam Adelson as Jewish, but as 'pro-Israel' billionaire for Paul Singer and 'Israeli American' megadonor for Miriam Adelson. If you know that they are Jewish and have seen them specifically referred to as part of a Jewish Lobby, it's probably by people who absolutely want you to know they are Jewish for antisemitic reasons. Like I said, antisemites used to highlight who was Jewish by putting brackets around their names. Referring to them as "Jewish Lobby" saves them the punctuation.

If it is widely used in the circles you are in, then perhaps you should find better circles. It's like people who start banging on about Zionists because it is in 'normal usage' who then find out that Zionist is a codeword for Jew and all the stuff they've been reading about Zionists controlling the media and having undue influence on world governments is just bog-standard antisemitism.

I won't use that particular phrase on here again because you clearly find it offensive.

It's not me finding it offensive that should stop you using it, it should be the fact that I have explained, and demonstrated, that it's often used by antisemites so say the exact thing that you said. I'm surprised that you have seen me point out that UN members have had to apologise for using it and shown Neo Nazis using it and decided that the problem is that I find it offensive.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 08:29

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 06:16

Looking forward to more empathic understanding on this thread and on this board - maybe it will be a nicer place to visit in future with fewer personal attacks. One can but hope!

There has been a distinct lack of empathy with the hate marches (not the peaceful protests) and one sign of this is the insistence on chants that some people - particularly Jewish people - have said they find antisemitic and intimidating, even if those doing the chanting don't believe they are doing anything wrong.

Another sign is holding marches or protests right after an extremely upsetting event such as the attack on Israel on 7/10/23 or the Manchester synagogue attack. Unfortunately, there were marches and protests immediately after both attacks, and the public were asked politely not to organise or attend protests after the one in Manchester but chose to do so anyway.

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I'm not entirely sure why 'we should listen to and be empathetic of those with differing political views' should apply to racism.

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 08:39

Looks like the flotilla activists can’t follow orders at a Spanish airport, and took a beating from airport security.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/spanish-police-beat-and-detain-gaza-flotilla-activists-amid-clashes-at-airport/

This is why they, the pro-pallies, end up getting injured, because they feel rules are for other people to follow, and they are blinded by their righteousness.
Al Jezeera pulled the story, doesn’t fit their narrative.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 09:47

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 08:29

I'm not entirely sure why 'we should listen to and be empathetic of those with differing political views' should apply to racism.

Not to racism, no. That should be challenged as it often is on these boards ( or reported if someone can’t be arsed with arguing or is just too disgusted to let the comments stand).

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 09:53

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 08:39

Looks like the flotilla activists can’t follow orders at a Spanish airport, and took a beating from airport security.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/spanish-police-beat-and-detain-gaza-flotilla-activists-amid-clashes-at-airport/

This is why they, the pro-pallies, end up getting injured, because they feel rules are for other people to follow, and they are blinded by their righteousness.
Al Jezeera pulled the story, doesn’t fit their narrative.

It amused me that even Spain couldn't put up with their bullshit when it was happening at one of their own airports rather than far away.

The Israel government enjoyed the irony too.

Sharing a video of officers beating and detaining the activists, Israel’s Foreign Ministry said: “We demand an explanation from the Spanish government regarding its treatment of the flotilla anarchists.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/spanish-police-beat-and-detain-gaza-flotilla-activists-amid-clashes-at-airport/

Boolabus · Yesterday 10:14

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 09:53

It amused me that even Spain couldn't put up with their bullshit when it was happening at one of their own airports rather than far away.

The Israel government enjoyed the irony too.

Sharing a video of officers beating and detaining the activists, Israel’s Foreign Ministry said: “We demand an explanation from the Spanish government regarding its treatment of the flotilla anarchists.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/spanish-police-beat-and-detain-gaza-flotilla-activists-amid-clashes-at-airport/

Have you read the article? Looks like more of a case of Spanish police brutality then "bullshit" from the 4 Spanish activists. (Let's not generalise, 4 from about 430 that were destained in Israel).

Following what happened at the airport, the Ertzaintza internal affairs division has launched an investigation to determine whether the officers’ conduct complied with procedures,” it added.

It amused me that even Spain couldn't put up with their bullshit when it was happening at one of their own airports rather than far away.
Does this mean you agreed with their treatment in Israel? Did they deserve it?

Boolabus · Yesterday 10:17

Doesn't really surprise me that some are all for kidnapping, violent abuse and humiliation when the person being abused doesn't align with their views. Thankfully the international community have been united with their condemnation of it.

Martymcfly24 · Yesterday 10:25

Boolabus · Yesterday 10:17

Doesn't really surprise me that some are all for kidnapping, violent abuse and humiliation when the person being abused doesn't align with their views. Thankfully the international community have been united with their condemnation of it.

Agree..
To watch that video and be amused is quite a shocking stance . It is quite clear what happens, they were blocking the gate for the media (shouldn't have been doing that agree)and then the police immediately go in with batons unnecessarily and start dragging people away .
Its almost like they have been trained in de-escalation by the IDF.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:26

Boolabus · Yesterday 10:14

Have you read the article? Looks like more of a case of Spanish police brutality then "bullshit" from the 4 Spanish activists. (Let's not generalise, 4 from about 430 that were destained in Israel).

Following what happened at the airport, the Ertzaintza internal affairs division has launched an investigation to determine whether the officers’ conduct complied with procedures,” it added.

It amused me that even Spain couldn't put up with their bullshit when it was happening at one of their own airports rather than far away.
Does this mean you agreed with their treatment in Israel? Did they deserve it?

Maybe another flotilla should be sent to protest about police brutality towards the first flotilla in Spain? Then if they get treated badly again a third flotilla could be sent to protest about that.

The flotillas are a nonsense and I have no sympathy for the way they keep sending pointless flotillas that deliver no aid and help no one.

Having said that I don't agree with anything Ben Gvir does as he's way too extremist for me. His taunting of the activists while their hands were bound is not something I agree with, no. I think he should have been removed from the Israel government a long time ago.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:31

Martymcfly24 · Yesterday 10:25

Agree..
To watch that video and be amused is quite a shocking stance . It is quite clear what happens, they were blocking the gate for the media (shouldn't have been doing that agree)and then the police immediately go in with batons unnecessarily and start dragging people away .
Its almost like they have been trained in de-escalation by the IDF.

Not amused by the video. Amused by the tongue in cheek comment that Israel demand an explanation from the Spanish government regarding its treatment of the flotilla anarchists.

You can find things funny even if you don't support those behind it - as people keep telling me about the Lego videos propaganda for the IRGC.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:34

The Spanish police were not trained in de-escalation by the IDF @Martymcfly24 just experiencing a taste of what it's like having to deal with activists who think that rules others have to abide by don't apply to them.

Martymcfly24 · Yesterday 10:35

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:31

Not amused by the video. Amused by the tongue in cheek comment that Israel demand an explanation from the Spanish government regarding its treatment of the flotilla anarchists.

You can find things funny even if you don't support those behind it - as people keep telling me about the Lego videos propaganda for the IRGC.

"'It amused me that even Spain couldn't put up with their bullshit when it was happening at one of their own airports rather than far away"

Clearly amused by the video not the Israeli comment so that's not true.
Bit lacking in empathy there Twiglets. Or does that only apply to people you agree with .

Martymcfly24 · Yesterday 10:38

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:34

The Spanish police were not trained in de-escalation by the IDF @Martymcfly24 just experiencing a taste of what it's like having to deal with activists who think that rules others have to abide by don't apply to them.

I never said they were, it was more a musing on similar tactics they employ for dealing with people they don't agree with .

I also think it's Basque Regional police not the Spanish police who were so heavy handed.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:46

Martymcfly24 · Yesterday 10:35

"'It amused me that even Spain couldn't put up with their bullshit when it was happening at one of their own airports rather than far away"

Clearly amused by the video not the Israeli comment so that's not true.
Bit lacking in empathy there Twiglets. Or does that only apply to people you agree with .

No I'm not amused by the video content just by the fact that Spanish police (regional or not, doesn't matter) couldn't put up with the activists behaviour either- when faced with them in person it's obviously a lot harder to deal with people deliberately flaunting the rules in places like airports.

dairydebris · Yesterday 10:50

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:26

Maybe another flotilla should be sent to protest about police brutality towards the first flotilla in Spain? Then if they get treated badly again a third flotilla could be sent to protest about that.

The flotillas are a nonsense and I have no sympathy for the way they keep sending pointless flotillas that deliver no aid and help no one.

Having said that I don't agree with anything Ben Gvir does as he's way too extremist for me. His taunting of the activists while their hands were bound is not something I agree with, no. I think he should have been removed from the Israel government a long time ago.

Maybe another flotilla should be sent to protest about police brutality towards the first flotilla in Spain? Then if they get treated badly again a third flotilla could be sent to protest about that.

🤣

An endless series of pointless self perpetuating, self promoting Futilla's... its an influencer's wet dream.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 11:00

Martymcfly24 · Yesterday 10:25

Agree..
To watch that video and be amused is quite a shocking stance . It is quite clear what happens, they were blocking the gate for the media (shouldn't have been doing that agree)and then the police immediately go in with batons unnecessarily and start dragging people away .
Its almost like they have been trained in de-escalation by the IDF.

As far as I can see, the police do not 'immediately go in with batons'. The way they repeatedly hit them and physically dragged them away is shocking and appalling but I don't think it was their first act.

The bloke with the beard who they are trying to stop from blocking the exit shoves a police officer when he moves him. Then when pushed out of the way he shoves back and starts sizing up to the police officer. A protestor breaks over the barricade and gets pulled back and beardy bloke rushes over (to join in?) then as it feels like it's all kicking off at the barricade the batons come out.

https://x.com/jamesheartfield/status/2058471711046000653?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

James Heartfield (@JamesHeartfield) on X

This is the moment it kicked off in the Basque airport. You can see the flotilla activists made a line across the exit that blocked other passengers. The police tried to make a space for them to get through. The protester shoved the police and it start...

https://x.com/jamesheartfield/status/2058471711046000653?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

Martymcfly24 · Yesterday 11:02

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:46

No I'm not amused by the video content just by the fact that Spanish police (regional or not, doesn't matter) couldn't put up with the activists behaviour either- when faced with them in person it's obviously a lot harder to deal with people deliberately flaunting the rules in places like airports.

Thank goodness you don't think police brutality is amusing. It really seemed from your first comment that you did.

"Deliberately flaunting rules" do you think the actions of the people (standing in the way) justified the beating with batons?

Oh and I don't think the Basque people would like to hear you say it doesn't matter. We wouldn't want to erase a distinct indigenous ethnic group in favour of a larger power...

Boolabus · Yesterday 11:03

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 10:26

Maybe another flotilla should be sent to protest about police brutality towards the first flotilla in Spain? Then if they get treated badly again a third flotilla could be sent to protest about that.

The flotillas are a nonsense and I have no sympathy for the way they keep sending pointless flotillas that deliver no aid and help no one.

Having said that I don't agree with anything Ben Gvir does as he's way too extremist for me. His taunting of the activists while their hands were bound is not something I agree with, no. I think he should have been removed from the Israel government a long time ago.

This isn't about the rights and wrongs of flotillas though is it? I'm not a fan of them either but I manage not to mock them when they have experienced brutal treatment and I worry more about the treatment of Palestinians when we see what they do to activists in front of the cameras. As I said thankfully the international community feels the same.

I think he should have been removed from the Israel government a long time ago.

He is the government and other ministers have come out with extremists views too. I've seen the video the transport minister posted on it. Suggesting this is all one man is naive it is endemic within the Israeli government.

Boolabus · Yesterday 11:06

dairydebris · Yesterday 10:50

Maybe another flotilla should be sent to protest about police brutality towards the first flotilla in Spain? Then if they get treated badly again a third flotilla could be sent to protest about that.

🤣

An endless series of pointless self perpetuating, self promoting Futilla's... its an influencer's wet dream.

Ah more mocking. Again I repeat
Doesn't really surprise me that some are all for kidnapping, violent abuse and humiliation when the person being abused doesn't align with their views.

Martymcfly24 · Yesterday 11:09

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 11:00

As far as I can see, the police do not 'immediately go in with batons'. The way they repeatedly hit them and physically dragged them away is shocking and appalling but I don't think it was their first act.

The bloke with the beard who they are trying to stop from blocking the exit shoves a police officer when he moves him. Then when pushed out of the way he shoves back and starts sizing up to the police officer. A protestor breaks over the barricade and gets pulled back and beardy bloke rushes over (to join in?) then as it feels like it's all kicking off at the barricade the batons come out.

https://x.com/jamesheartfield/status/2058471711046000653?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

I agree with you about the actions of the flotilla. The guy in the grey tracksuit is definitely squaring up trying to provoke a reaction. I do think the police went too far and their training should have kicked in (or preempted it happening and brought them in a quiet way)

The only issue I have is the mocking and amusing comments..we are either for justice and empathy or not.

dairydebris · Yesterday 11:10

Boolabus · Yesterday 11:06

Ah more mocking. Again I repeat
Doesn't really surprise me that some are all for kidnapping, violent abuse and humiliation when the person being abused doesn't align with their views.

Sure sure. Laughing about flotilla upon flotilla perpetuating itself amounts to tacit support for kidnapping, violent abuse and humiliation. Actually on second thoughts I'll allow humiliation ☺️... the futillas are a joke, I stand by it.

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