Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

Would it be more accurate to say that the money spent by Jewish donors is about the influence of policies towards Israel?

Irrelevant to my post

But i can already see you are now moving away from your previous remark re
’Jews control the world’

so that’s all good then

No, I’m not at all.

I am beginning to wonder if you are even reading my posts though.

It would be accurate to say that the pro-Israel lobby spend money to influence policies towards Israel but I don’t think they are all Jewish. I’m sure that there are Jewish donors who don’t spend money on influencing policies towards Israel but have other interests and suggesting that all Jewish donors are pro-Israel influencers should probably be avoided.

Oh I am
Unfortunately your posts are twisting peoples words and now suggesting I’m not engaged therefore ???? don’t understand ????

I understand perfectly well
I have said all that needs to be said on this subject
I prefer to engage with posts that don’t inflame and exaggerate the words of others
I will, however, and have the right to call them out

Job done

You were telling me that I was moving away from something I’ve definitely not moved away from and if you still insist on not seeing any problem with that original post despite the explanation (and the link to the Wikipedia article with an extensive description of the antisemitic connotations and usage of the words “Jewish Lobby”) and the direct links to the conspiracy theory that Jews run the world, then there’s really no helping you understand.

I agree that not all the money spent by Jewish people on lobbying will be on Israel- but sometimes the name on the tin gives away the purpose- AIPAC

So? Shall we take a look at all the other various lobby groups that exist and what they spend their money on, or just focus on Jews?

Is there a comparable lobby group that advocates on behalf of a country that also isn’t registered with FARA to allow transparency?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeignAgentsRegistrationAct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act

I don't understand why you're trying to tell me that there are pro-Israel lobby groups. Like, duh.

That doesn't justify saying that the "Jewish Lobby" are disproportionately powerful and influencing governments around the world. That's the sort of thing antisemites routinely say and the sort of thing they've been saying for over 100 years.

I have asked if you can name a comparable lobby groups that advocate behalf another country to influence US policy in favour of that country without the transparency brought by registering with FARA.

I will suppose your answer means that you can’t but you don’t see a problem in lack of transparency in the way AIPAC is funded and how it acts.

Now imagine if that country was any other country that attempts to subverts US politics to its favour without transparency? Can’t you imagine why people would be concerned?

Don't you understand that it makes literally no difference to what I'm saying?

I'm not disagreeing that a pro-Israel lobby influences politics, particularly in the US.

I'm saying that that doesn't justify saying that the Jewish Lobby disproportionately influences governments around the world. Because that's what antisemites say.

This isn't difficult.

The Israeli government even sought legal advice about how to avoid FARA registration for lobby groups acting on its behalf.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-815198

You are extrapolating because I never said what you suggested.
Personally- what I did say is of sufficient concern without exaggeration.

Why evade transparency?

And you still haven’t named another country that does this in the U.S……

I don't have to, because that's not the argument I'm making, nor is it one I'm interested in having. Not sure why you're trying to divert from the discussion I was having or the point I was making.

Here's a bunch of Neo-Nazis protesting in Australia recently.

Can you read what their sign says? "Abolish the Jewish Lobby"

Neo Nazis. Let's not adopt their language, right?

Or perhaps some on here would like to argue that the Neo-Nazi protest isn't antisemitic?

Why? All I said is that he is possibly saying the right things about antisemitism for political reasons. How can anyone know his private thoughts? The same is true of Keir Starmer or since you mention him, Andy Burnham.

We don’t know their private thoughts & I don’t even care as long as they are saying the right things because the effect will be the same.

Well well @Islandsofsand

Thanks for the link. I’ll copy some to highlight it.

‘ Leaked documents suggest Israeli officials sought to avoid the US Foreign Agents Registration Act by creating a nonprofit to continue their activities under the radar’

……later

’Israel's PR Commando Unit'

They

‘ advocating for anti-BDS legislation and coordinated efforts to counter pro-Palestinian activities on US college campuses’

The Diaspora Affairs Ministry did not respond to The Jerusalem Post’s request for comment.

I understand- your point is the following and I agree with it:
I'm saying that that doesn't justify saying that the Jewish Lobby disproportionately influences governments around the world. Because that's what antisemites say.

But I still think there are valid concerns about the way AIPAC operates in the U.S. without resorting to the above antisemitic trope.

I didn't say that there weren't.

It was pretty clear that I was calling out the antisemitic trope. Glad you agree.

The only thing we don’t seem to agree on is whether actions of AIPAC are worth further scrutiny then - or is that just an argument you don’t want to engage with?

You see again

Are you trying shut down discussion on here by suggesting posters are
antisemitic and Nazis ???

That’s appalling !

And
If a poster makes an antisemitic remark report it.

I note their posts have not been removed…. So clearly the concern and comments are valid
I Agree with @Islandsofsand s concerns and we are very much not alone in that