Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

But that doesn’t make its use illegal though. And doesn’t necessarily mean he’s changed his mind about it not being antisemitic? It it possible to believe the latter but still not use it due to respect?

Some may not deem it antisemitic - it may prove difficult for it to be classified as hate speech? As you have pointed out - the police did not arrest people for using the phrase.

We will have to see what happens with regard to the law, which Starmer and MPs make. They make it- not the mayor.

No it's not illegal at the moment. Though the tide seems to be turning so it is possible certain chants will become illegal in the future. I don't think you can really trust protestors not to use the chants out of respect. Any hope of empathy for Jews flew out of the window when pro Palestine marches went ahead right after the Manchester synagogue terror attack. Starmer had asked the protestors not to attend to "respect the grief of British Jews" - some hope.

It's very possible that Sadiq Khan has decided to take a tougher stance for political reasons rather than he has actually changed his mind about these chants being antisemitic. He may be following Starmer's lead. I don't actually care tbh what his private thoughts are.

For me it's a positive step that the rhetoric is changing and Khan is agreeing with a zero tolerance approach to antisemitism. I think that's what decent Londoners will want to see from their mayor, just as they expect him to have zero tolerance towards other forms of racism too.

Anyone listening to Tucker Carlson on Thomas Massie on YT today ?

Yes currently listening to it, along with the other 450'000 folks on Youtube and 1.5 million views on Twitter/X (in less than 12 hours).

Rich Baris https://x.com/Peoples_Pundit knows, he has been warning the Trump Team for over a year about how their foreign policy will play at the ballot box. The $30 million dollars spent on unseating Massie in Kentucky will turn out to be a pyrrhic victory.

I've seen a clip but haven't had the chance to watch it yet. The massive influence of Israel and the Jewish lobby on US politics (and in other countries too) is scary. Not v democratic is it. No wonder so many in the US are speaking out like TC.

“Jews control the world”

FFS.

Spurious accusations no longer work. Americans and Europeans are allowed to question how lobbying affects their political systems.

Don't worry Rainsnoring Professor John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt were also unfairly "labelled" antisemites when they wrote their book in 2006:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Israel-Lobby-US-Foreign-Policy/dp/0141031239

It seems like nothing has changed, I guess the journalists at Haaretz are also antisemitic:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2026-05-20/ty-article/.highlight/pro-israel-spending-may-have-achieved-its-goal-in-kentucky-but-at-what-cost/0000019e-457b-dc0d-a99e-cdffe46c0000

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2026-05-19/ty-article/.premium/the-most-consequential-republican-primary-for-israel-is-happening-in-kentucky/0000019e-4056-d394-addf-fb7e8fdc0000

Spurious accusations no longer work. Americans and Europeans are allowed to question how lobbying affects their political systems.

You don’t even see it, do you? @rainingsnoring didn’t write ‘Israel’s lobbying’, but “Jewish lobbying”

It’s the progression from complaining about Israel to complaining about Jews.

“Jews secretly control the world” is a long-established antisemitic conspiracy theory. People really should work harder to avoid it, and should certainly not rush in to justify it.

No one is rushing in to justify it.
Uncomfortable or not a big discussion is currently taking place on the effect of Foreign lobbying influence on elections is in America.

With regards to this particular Massie race Rainsnoring was not incorrect. His opponent was openly funded by Jewish Pro Israel donors like Paul Singer and Miriam Adelson and supported by the Republican Jewish Comgress. It has been celebrated by the lobbying group AIPAC and is generating a massive backlash. Making it the most expensive Primary race in American history.

To many of his supporters it looks like Massie (who refused funding from Foreign lobbies for 14 years and specifically called out AIPAC) was targeted by the donor class.

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/07/31/congress/maga-ky-super-pac-donors-00487931

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/17/massie-aipac-record-spending-israel-maga-trump-primary-00925375

No don’t you see this time Jews really are controlling the world.

Let’s dig out some Nazi imagery you could repurpose.

Always have to take it to the extreme, like I said spurious accusations of Antisemitism no longer work and in fact just generate more animosity which can be witnessed over the last couple of days, Americans on all political sides under 50 are extremely angry.

When Israeli newspapers like Haaretz can write about the Massie race saying "that it does not play into antisemetic tropes" and it's importance, so can anyone else without comparing them to Nazi's.

However please continue, the conversation is happening regardless of baseless accusations.

What do you mean they “no longer work”.

They never worked on you as far as I can tell.

There is more concern about antisemitism in UK society generally and we see that being reflected in what politicians say & what the media sees as newsworthy.

Always have to take it to the extreme, like I said spurious accusations of Antisemitism no longer work

Because popping onto a thread about antisemitism in the UK to moan about Jews controlling the world based on some recent pro-Israel political funding in the US is totally normal behaviour

As far as I can see you are the only one who said that 'Jews control the world'?

Again with the insults and exaggeration, I actually was answering a post earlier today and have actually posted on this thread last week.

Looking at America is important as what happens over there usually occurs here 12 to 18 months later.

Look at the fighting on the right between Tommy Robinson and his quest for a Judeo-Christian alliance and the pushback he is getting from others on the right like Calvin Robinson about Pro Israeli influence on the nationalist movement.

Belles not popping onto the thread
They’ve been here all along

You don’t know ,( I’m guessing Belle ) because they don’t agree with a word you say

I wasn't talking about your post when I said 'popping in to...'

What is becoming increasingly obvious is that people saying 'I've never seen any antisemitism...' wouldn't recognise it if had a big badge on.

Jews control the world is the extremely old antisemitic conspiracy theory.

If you can't see a claim that the 'Jewish Lobby' are having a massive influence on politics in the US and other countries and that this is 'scary' as a hat-tip towards that trope, particularly when this comment is being posted on a thread about antisemitism in the UK, then you aren't really paying attention.

It's one step away from posting an octopus with the Star of David on its head with its tentacles wrapped around the world.

‘Jews control the world ‘
is a far cry from the pps statement
Only you have said it here and
to inflame someone’s else’s posts to This level is
imo unwarranted

@rainingsnoring meant nothing of the sort

@FloralDeerPattern is quite right is calling this out

You are right the Jews control Hollywood/press/banking is a very old trope rooted in antisemitism that should never be repeated.

However that should not shut down a conversation regarding the effect the 28 million dollars a year AIPAC donates to congressmen and women in America to further Israeli interests and the effect this has on American fiscal policy and also it's attitudes to those who are against Israeli actions.

The two can both be true.

"Jewish Lobby"

"The term is common in antisemitic contexts, where it is used pejoratively to allege, falsely and without evidence, disproportionate Jewish influence in politics and government, a variation of the old antisemitic canard of "international Jewish conspiracy"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_lobby#Antisemitic_associations

I don’t think you are being fair on Khan. Tell me- what has Andy Burnham as mayor done better / said in comparison due to the marches in Manchester- particularly after the attack in the synagogue?

Irrelevant to my post

The other thing is - to really reduce racism is going to take more than banning a few phrases. It will certainly help people feel less intimidated by the marches themselves- but it’s not going to change the view of those who are responsible for awful acts of racism.

That’s going to require dialogue and interfaith work to reduce friction/ division and, as such- recognising racism as being a problem not particularly affecting one community over another, will really help.

Literally the words and context they used in their post.

It’s wearing a big badge and waving right at you.