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RedTagAlan · 07/05/2026 14:07

OpheliaWasntMad · 07/05/2026 13:38

There are clear definitions available
https://righttoremain.org.uk/whats-the-difference-between-discrimination-and-persecution/

What the Qualification Regulations say about persecution
5.— (1) In deciding whether a person is a refugee an act of persecution must be:
(a) sufficiently serious by its nature or repetition as to constitute a severe violation of a basic human right, in particular a right from which derogation cannot be made under Article 15 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms(1); or
(b) an accumulation of various measures, including a violation of a human right which is sufficiently severe as to affect an individual in a similar manner as specified in (a).
(2) An act of persecution may, for example, take the form of:
(a) an act of physical or mental violence, including an act of sexual violence;
(b) a legal, administrative, police, or judicial measure which in itself is discriminatory or which is implemented in a discriminatory manner;
(c ) prosecution or punishment, which is disproportionate or discriminatory;
(d) denial of judicial redress resulting in a disproportionate or discriminatory punishment;
(e) prosecution or punishment for refusal to perform military service in a conflict, where performing military service would include crimes or acts falling under regulation 7 [exclusion clauses, see more here]
(3) An act of persecution must be committed for at least one of the reasons in Article 1(A) of the Geneva Convention [reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership of a particular social group].

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Interestingly, your link has this:

(e) prosecution or punishment for refusal to perform military service in a conflict, where performing military service would include crimes or acts falling under regulation 7 [exclusion clauses, see more here]

And that reminds me of the ultra-orthodox in Israel.

Haredi conscription law sparks tensions ahead of protest | The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

So potentially the Heredi could claim asylum for refusing to serve. And I did say above that maybe armies should be made of secular/ atheist folk.

That create an interesting conundrum that I can't answer. I am all for asylum, so if they were to apply of course I would agree. But we have talked about religious extremists, and these folk fit that bill. And I would guess that they are a significant voting block in Israel who vote for the more hawkish politicians.

Religion sure makes things complicated.

Haredi conscription law sparks tensions ahead of protest | The Jerusalem Post

'It's not a conscription law, it’s a full-blown law for draft evasion. If this draft is advanced, not a single haredi will enlist,' said Lapid

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-872109

GentleSheep · 07/05/2026 14:21

OpheliaWasntMad · 07/05/2026 13:38

There are clear definitions available
https://righttoremain.org.uk/whats-the-difference-between-discrimination-and-persecution/

What the Qualification Regulations say about persecution
5.— (1) In deciding whether a person is a refugee an act of persecution must be:
(a) sufficiently serious by its nature or repetition as to constitute a severe violation of a basic human right, in particular a right from which derogation cannot be made under Article 15 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms(1); or
(b) an accumulation of various measures, including a violation of a human right which is sufficiently severe as to affect an individual in a similar manner as specified in (a).
(2) An act of persecution may, for example, take the form of:
(a) an act of physical or mental violence, including an act of sexual violence;
(b) a legal, administrative, police, or judicial measure which in itself is discriminatory or which is implemented in a discriminatory manner;
(c ) prosecution or punishment, which is disproportionate or discriminatory;
(d) denial of judicial redress resulting in a disproportionate or discriminatory punishment;
(e) prosecution or punishment for refusal to perform military service in a conflict, where performing military service would include crimes or acts falling under regulation 7 [exclusion clauses, see more here]
(3) An act of persecution must be committed for at least one of the reasons in Article 1(A) of the Geneva Convention [reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership of a particular social group].

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That definition is for the purposes of asylum seekers so I'd imagine is more rigorous in nature. I do think Christian persecution can still take place with less serious offences. I'm going to ask my pastor about it and see what he has to say. We always have to turn to the Bible for our answers and that legal definition isn't from the Bible. Just my two-penneth.

RedTagAlan · 07/05/2026 14:40

GentleSheep · 07/05/2026 14:21

That definition is for the purposes of asylum seekers so I'd imagine is more rigorous in nature. I do think Christian persecution can still take place with less serious offences. I'm going to ask my pastor about it and see what he has to say. We always have to turn to the Bible for our answers and that legal definition isn't from the Bible. Just my two-penneth.

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I think maybe ask your Pastor his/her thoughts on if persecution is an advantage as a Christian, As discussed up thread.

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