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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump is desperate. How can he resolve the Iran shitshow?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 06/04/2026 00:32

He is flailing, desperate and increasingly unhinged. Weakening the USA, alienating allies and strengthening the enemies of democracy with every step.

How can he fix this?
Can he fix it at all?

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DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 09:36

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 09:32

I support Israel destroying terrorists.

And kill non terrorists at the same time

Yes is your answer?

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 09:37

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/04/2026 23:38

Good. We should have as little involvement as possible in Trump's genocide.

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What 'genocide'?!

Or are you getting mixed up and are thinking about what the IRGC are doing with their mass executions?

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 09:38

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 09:36

And kill non terrorists at the same time

Yes is your answer?

I support Israel killing terrorists is my answer. You should be thanking them.

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 09:41

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 09:38

I support Israel killing terrorists is my answer. You should be thanking them.

I won't as long as they keep killing innocent people which they are doing on a daily basis.

Only the other day they killed the wrong person and nearby civilians 'by accident'

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 09:46

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 09:36

And kill non terrorists at the same time

Yes is your answer?

I wonder how long until we hear Israel are 'doing a genocide' and there's a famine in Lebanon? Hezbollah need to get hamas' pr team on it now <if there's any left>. I'm sure Tom Selfie Fletcher from the UN could assist.

<Disclaimer I've every sympathy for civilian suffering and casualties sadly terrorists set up shop among them, they should protect their own but they don't. Blame the terrorists.>

sidebirds · 08/04/2026 09:54

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/04/2026 00:32

He is flailing, desperate and increasingly unhinged. Weakening the USA, alienating allies and strengthening the enemies of democracy with every step.

How can he fix this?
Can he fix it at all?

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President Trump's strategy is working 🙏✝️🕊️

Boolabus · 08/04/2026 09:55

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 09:46

I wonder how long until we hear Israel are 'doing a genocide' and there's a famine in Lebanon? Hezbollah need to get hamas' pr team on it now <if there's any left>. I'm sure Tom Selfie Fletcher from the UN could assist.

<Disclaimer I've every sympathy for civilian suffering and casualties sadly terrorists set up shop among them, they should protect their own but they don't. Blame the terrorists.>

I've every sympathy for civilian suffering and casualties

You clearly don't, no matter how you like to dress it up, it's clear you are happy for innocent civilians to pay the price

Theolittle · 08/04/2026 09:57

How has this illegal war stopped the terrorists? It’ll just create more terrorists

Civilian casualties and destruction increase anger and radicalization and help extremist groups recruit.

If wars stop terrorism, why did ISIS form?

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 09:57

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 09:46

I wonder how long until we hear Israel are 'doing a genocide' and there's a famine in Lebanon? Hezbollah need to get hamas' pr team on it now <if there's any left>. I'm sure Tom Selfie Fletcher from the UN could assist.

<Disclaimer I've every sympathy for civilian suffering and casualties sadly terrorists set up shop among them, they should protect their own but they don't. Blame the terrorists.>

You do not care about the people of Lebanon, that you have made very clear.

Your disclaimer is pitiful, victim blaming

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 10:00

sidebirds · 08/04/2026 09:54

President Trump's strategy is working 🙏✝️🕊️

What strategy is working?

Myoldbear · 08/04/2026 10:05

sidebirds · 08/04/2026 09:54

President Trump's strategy is working 🙏✝️🕊️

There's nothing holy about Trump

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 10:23

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 09:57

You do not care about the people of Lebanon, that you have made very clear.

Your disclaimer is pitiful, victim blaming

Victim blaming? I'm terrorist blaming.

RedTagAlan · 08/04/2026 11:11

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 10:23

Victim blaming? I'm terrorist blaming.

Wait a moment. I am confused here.

Are you the same Gloriia who was here a while back blaming the US citizens who were shot by ICE for being shot ?

If not, my apologies.

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 11:24

RedTagAlan · 08/04/2026 11:11

Wait a moment. I am confused here.

Are you the same Gloriia who was here a while back blaming the US citizens who were shot by ICE for being shot ?

If not, my apologies.

I've never blamed anyone for being shot. What I did say is if an armed agitator is obstructing armed Law enforcement officers then sadly they may be perceived to be a threat and tragic incidents/errors will occur.

In the ME terrorists hide among civilians and sadly there will be casualties in conflict areas.

2 different scenarios. Perhaps you should stick to the relevant thread?

I've also posted on threads about dogs in cafes. Do you want to discuss that here too?

RedTagAlan · 08/04/2026 11:48

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 11:24

I've never blamed anyone for being shot. What I did say is if an armed agitator is obstructing armed Law enforcement officers then sadly they may be perceived to be a threat and tragic incidents/errors will occur.

In the ME terrorists hide among civilians and sadly there will be casualties in conflict areas.

2 different scenarios. Perhaps you should stick to the relevant thread?

I've also posted on threads about dogs in cafes. Do you want to discuss that here too?

I just wondered that's all. Different scenarios as you say. Different.

Sorry to digress. Back on topic.

My fear is for the Kurds and protestors in Iran who Trump said he sent arms to. And all the CIA agents/ agitators he said spread misinformation in Iran during the pilot rescue. The CIA agitators especially, because no internet there so the regime will obviously know they are on the ground. I expect the regime will have rounded them all up. Enemy agents/agitators in time of war will likely be executed. And the Kurds and protestors he armed too.

Trump threw them under the bus for sure. He should have kept his mouth shut. To me it was is if he was boasting.

Do you agree?

Boolabus · 08/04/2026 12:12

RedTagAlan · 08/04/2026 11:48

I just wondered that's all. Different scenarios as you say. Different.

Sorry to digress. Back on topic.

My fear is for the Kurds and protestors in Iran who Trump said he sent arms to. And all the CIA agents/ agitators he said spread misinformation in Iran during the pilot rescue. The CIA agitators especially, because no internet there so the regime will obviously know they are on the ground. I expect the regime will have rounded them all up. Enemy agents/agitators in time of war will likely be executed. And the Kurds and protestors he armed too.

Trump threw them under the bus for sure. He should have kept his mouth shut. To me it was is if he was boasting.

Do you agree?

Different scenarios as you say. Different...

Hmm yes different but victim always seems to be responsible for their own murder

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 12:39

'I just wondered that's all. Different scenarios as you say. Different'

You didn't wonder if i was the same gloria, you know my name hun you've tried and failed on many an occasion on the ICE threads to trip me up.

ICE in Minnesota are not The IDF in Lebanon.

A bit desperate trying to equate the situation and calling cia agents 'agitators'. Seriously Alan.

RedTagAlan · 08/04/2026 12:57

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 12:39

'I just wondered that's all. Different scenarios as you say. Different'

You didn't wonder if i was the same gloria, you know my name hun you've tried and failed on many an occasion on the ICE threads to trip me up.

ICE in Minnesota are not The IDF in Lebanon.

A bit desperate trying to equate the situation and calling cia agents 'agitators'. Seriously Alan.

Not desperate, nor trying to trip anyone up. It's an Iran thread, and I recalled you defended ICE, and you pretty much did say it was the protestors faults. Both of them I think. The man who was armed legally, and the woman who was not armed.

I wondered about your thoughts on the protestors and agitators in Iran that Trump threw under the bus?

I am consistently against police and Governments killing and shooting people, no matter if in the USA, Lebanon, or Iran. I am just trying to understand different viewpoints.

sidebirds · 08/04/2026 13:14

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 10:00

What strategy is working?

to quote @ juneslater17 on X :

Why do the media take Trump so literally .

It's all in his book The Art of The Deal .

It's called the madman strategy.

Be outlandish, wild and unpredictable, aggressive.

Then give your opponent an escape route to save face
They'll come back to the table .

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 13:18

sidebirds · 08/04/2026 13:14

to quote @ juneslater17 on X :

Why do the media take Trump so literally .

It's all in his book The Art of The Deal .

It's called the madman strategy.

Be outlandish, wild and unpredictable, aggressive.

Then give your opponent an escape route to save face
They'll come back to the table .

Have you read Iran's 10 point peace plan?

Quite the Art of the Deal.

Remember that 5 weeks ago the Strait of Hormuz was open.

I am not sure who you think is using an escape route to save face

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 14:07

I’m not holding my breathe that this so called ceasefire with even last two weeks unless all the bombs stop

news update Washington Post

‘ Israel strikes central Beirut without warning after saying Iran ceasefire doesn't apply there
Israeli strikes have hit central Beirut without warning, causing panic
April 8, 2026 at 8:52 a.m. EDT9 minutes ago
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Smoke rises following an Israeli airstrike on a building in Beirut, Lebanon, Wednesday, April 8, 2026. (AP Photo/Hassan Ammar)
By Kareem Chehayeb and Abby Sewell | AP
BEIRUT — Israeli strikes hit several dense commercial and residential areas in central Beirut Wednesday afternoon without warning, hours after a ceasefire was announced in the U.S.-Israeli war with Iran.

Israel had said the agreement does not extend to its war with the Iran-backed militant group Hezbollah in Lebanon, although mediator Pakistan said it does.
Israel’s military called it the largest coordinated strike in the current war, striking more than 100 Hezbollah targets within 10 minutes in Beirut, southern Lebanon and the eastern Bekaa valley

Black smoke towered over several parts of the seaside capital. Explosions interrupted the honking of traffic on what had been a bustling, blue-sky afternoon. Ambulances raced toward open flames. Apartment buildings were struck. Emergency responders searched charred vehicles.
It was not immediately clear how many people were killed or wounded, but several strikes were in busy commercial locations, causing panic in the streets. Lebanon’s National News Agency reported that the airstrikes hit at least five different neighborhoods in Beirut’s central and coastal areas.
Lebanon’s Minister of Social Affairs, Haneed Sayed, in an interview with The Associated Press condemned Israel’s wide range of strikes, calling it a “very dangerous turning point.”
“These hits are now at the heart of Beirut … Half of the sheltered (internally displaced persons) are in Beirut in this area,” she said, adding that she had just driven by the areas hit.

Theolittle · 08/04/2026 15:33

10 point plan -

  • End of all attacks on Iran and its allies
  • Full ceasefire across the region (including places like Lebanon, Yemen, etc.)
  • Lifting all U.S. sanctions on Iran
  • Release of Iranian money/assets frozen abroad
  • U.S. military withdrawal from parts of the Middle East
  • Iran keeps control of the Strait of Hormuz (a key global oil route)
  • Guarantee of safe shipping through that strait
  • Recognition of Iran’s right to nuclear enrichment (very controversial)
  • No nuclear weapons (Iran says it won’t build them)
  • Compensation/reparations for war damage

So virtually resetting back to 5 weeks ago apart from Iran set to charge all shipping through SoH. Iran is proposing $2m per ship, to help them rebuild all the damage

Oh and lots of civilians and children dead and displaced and a huge refugee crisis.

No regime change so that argument of making things better for Iranians doesn’t wash.

So much winning!

Theolittle · 08/04/2026 15:49

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 09:25

If Israel stopped obliterating terrotists, we'd all suffer the consequences. Fixed that for you

What US and Israel are doing will just create more hatred of the west and more terrorists

Ellen2shoes · 08/04/2026 15:50

Interesting piece by Ehud Shapiro on how Trump could resolve the shitshow. It acknowledges that the ‘wound’ of Palestine must be addressed, that the US must give its support for statehood within international boundaries and that this is the crux of the ME conflict.

Have pasted below as I think I read that someone wasn’t able to open links.

thehill.com/opinion/national-security/5819490-palestine-is-trumps-leverage-to-end-the-iran-war/amp/

OPINION>OPINIONS - NATIONAL SECURITY
Palestine is Trump’s leverage to end the Iran War
BY EHUD SHAPIRO, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR04/08/26 07:00 AM ET

To end the Iran war not in diplomatic defeat, Trump needs leverage on Iran. Here is one. It relates to an issue on which the entire Muslim world agrees: The state of Palestine must form.
The Palestinian wound has festered for decades, and Iran has exploited it to justify its “axis of resistance” against Israel and the US. Palestine is what gives Iran its ideological fervor. Leave this wound open, and it feeds into every conflict in the region. Address it, and a new Middle East will emerge.
For decades, Washington has viewed the Palestinian wound as a moral or humanitarian burden. Now, Trump can use it as leverage.
So what would happen if the U.S. were to offer to form Palestine as part of a deal to end this war permanently? First, Saudi Arabia could lead a comprehensive Arab peace with Israel. Washington has hoped for this since the Abraham Accords. It could now get it, by paying the price of forming Palestine. Paying that price will rally the entire Arab and Muslim world behind a framework that serves American interests: ceasefire, nuclear containment, normalization, regional economic integration, and the disarmament of non-state militias.
Second, Iran yearns and strives for Palestinian statehood — its entire revolutionary identity since 1979 is built on championing the Palestinian cause. By joining a comprehensive deal that includes the formation of Palestine, Iran would achieve its decades-long quest and could thus forgo the “axis of resistance” that has drained its resources. The Arab world could then admit Iran back into its fold, repairing the rift caused by the war with a joint achievement: the birth of Palestine. In such a deal, Iran would gain what the war cannot deliver: the formation of Palestine, sanctions relief, an end to its economic isolation, and a nuclear agreement guaranteeing its security.
Third, with Palestine established, the justification for Hezbollah keeping its arms will disappear. Lebanon could finally disarm it, restore its sovereignty, and make peace with Israel. Peace between Israel and Syria should not trail far behind.
The legal groundwork for this already exists. Resolutions of the UN General Assembly and Security Council, and rulings of the International Court of Justice. The court concluded in July 2024 that Israel’s continued presence in the occupied Palestinian territory is unlawful. One hundred fifty-sevencountries have recognized Palestine. All that is needed now is an American decision to support it Palestinian statehood at the Security Council as part of a comprehensive regional peace agreement.
Such an agreement should be anchored by a Security Council resolution admitting Palestine as the 194th member, on the internationally recognized borders of June 4, 1967, with its capital in East Jerusalem. It should establish the normalization of diplomatic relations between Israel and all 57 member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation— notably including Saudi Arabia and Iran. It should include an updated nuclear agreement with Iran, ending its ballistic missile program and economic sanctions. It should terminate all claims and states of belligerency, including the defunding and disarmament of all non-state militias. And it should affirm the sovereignty, territorial integrity, and independence of every state in the region.
Like many Israelis, I believe that the occupation is destroying Israel from within. It has run us along a path from occupation to settlements, to millions of Palestinians living without equal civil and political rights, to the October 7 massacre, and from there to the destruction of Gaza and to pogroms and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, to war with Iran. This is not a series of accidents but a chain of causation that can only be stopped by healing the festering wound — an end to the occupation and the formation of Palestine, resulting in equality and security for all peoples in the region. This deal offers exactly that, and Israel will not have a secure future without it.

This deal serves the genuine interests of every party. Trump gets to be the leader who brought peace to the entire Middle East. Saudi Arabia gets security through peace. Iran gets sanctions relief and re-entry into the Arab and international sphere. Lebanon gets its sovereignty back. The Palestinians get a state. And Israel gets peace with its neighbors — near and far — and recognition by the entire Muslim world.
Trump now has the leverage to force this deal on Israel’s government, for the benefit of its people and all the people in the region. He should do it.
Ehud Shapiro is Professor Emeritus at the Weizmann Institute of Science and Visiting Professor at the London School of Economics.

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Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 15:59

Theolittle · 08/04/2026 15:33

10 point plan -

  • End of all attacks on Iran and its allies
  • Full ceasefire across the region (including places like Lebanon, Yemen, etc.)
  • Lifting all U.S. sanctions on Iran
  • Release of Iranian money/assets frozen abroad
  • U.S. military withdrawal from parts of the Middle East
  • Iran keeps control of the Strait of Hormuz (a key global oil route)
  • Guarantee of safe shipping through that strait
  • Recognition of Iran’s right to nuclear enrichment (very controversial)
  • No nuclear weapons (Iran says it won’t build them)
  • Compensation/reparations for war damage

So virtually resetting back to 5 weeks ago apart from Iran set to charge all shipping through SoH. Iran is proposing $2m per ship, to help them rebuild all the damage

Oh and lots of civilians and children dead and displaced and a huge refugee crisis.

No regime change so that argument of making things better for Iranians doesn’t wash.

So much winning!

Edited

Do you really think that Iran will be getting everything they want in their 10 point plan?

The ceasefire is the beginning not the end of the peace deal.

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