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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump is desperate. How can he resolve the Iran shitshow?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 06/04/2026 00:32

He is flailing, desperate and increasingly unhinged. Weakening the USA, alienating allies and strengthening the enemies of democracy with every step.

How can he fix this?
Can he fix it at all?

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Legssses · 12/04/2026 11:10

rainingsnoring · 12/04/2026 11:02

I don't think the US went into these negotiations in good faith. They would not have sent Trump's SIL, who is most interested in doing $$$ deals with Arabs and protecting Bibi and has no background as a negotiator, and Witkoff's, Trumps property lawyer, also with no experience as a negotiator. During the last set of negotiations, this pair behaved atrociously.
Personally, I think that this 'negotation' was just a delaying tactic, while the US builds up troops in the area.

It is a truly great shame for the world that there is no 'out' at present.

Is the US building up troops in the area? I remember when Trump moved lots of military assets to Venezuela, reading that they could only really stay there for a certain amount of time. So it reached a "poop or get off the pot" kind of moment.

Does anyone know if this is true? How long can the forces already in the ME stay there?

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2026 11:12

rainingsnoring · 12/04/2026 11:07

What is the 'out' @SerendipityJane? I'm talking about now, not a potential settlement at some stage in the future.

Depends what you are referring to.

My comment was that the world could stop Trump dead. If it chose to. Currently it chooses not to. Whether the reasons for that choice are valid or not is a matter for another thread I suspect.

In terms of this spat, the solution is embarrassingly easy. The US says sorry. Pays for it's damage and reparations for murdering children. Fucks off back home and promises to not act unilaterally again (bleeds into the previous point).

EmeraldShamrock000 · 12/04/2026 11:12

DuncinToffee · 12/04/2026 11:09

I meant for him without losing face, but yes there are ways out.

Hopefully his blood pressure catches up with him. 🫣

logicisall · 12/04/2026 11:15

RedTagAlan · 12/04/2026 11:05

Well see where Rubio was while Vance was announcing failure:

"Secretary of State Marco Rubio was shown on the big screen at the UFC fight in Miami, Florida moments after Vice President JD Vance announced that no deal had been reached with Iran.
Rubio is at the fight with President Donald Trump. Reporters traveling with Trump and Rubio observed the two smiling and enjoying the action." (CNN)

Yup, Trump was there too. Photo attached.

The optics! Or did they think Vance had come away with a win. 🤔
Actually that photo shows that the negotiations were never in good faith and they were unconcerned with any outcome.

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2026 11:16

Martymcfly24 · 12/04/2026 11:08

Nero really did fiddle while Rome burned.

That's never really been proven (he wasn't in Rome when the fire started).

Admittedly after the fire he did claim a lot of the city for his golden house, so you can see why the city may have felt he was less than upset at it.

It's fascinating remembered historical insult, as at the time it was the fact he was "fiddling" that was the scandal. Musicians and performers were universally scum (seems the Romans had their measure) and to see the Emperor cosplaying as an actor and singer was a grave insult to the dignity of the ruling classes.

logicisall · 12/04/2026 11:25

EmeraldShamrock000 · 12/04/2026 11:12

Hopefully his blood pressure catches up with him. 🫣

We are waking up and asking "Is he dead yet?" #dailyroutine

LassiKopiano24 · 12/04/2026 11:26

logicisall · 12/04/2026 11:25

We are waking up and asking "Is he dead yet?" #dailyroutine

I have a strong feeling Trump will live to be about 107 😭 I don’t like to wish death upon anyone buy I can’t say I’d be upset if he popped his clogs

rainingsnoring · 12/04/2026 11:28

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2026 11:12

Depends what you are referring to.

My comment was that the world could stop Trump dead. If it chose to. Currently it chooses not to. Whether the reasons for that choice are valid or not is a matter for another thread I suspect.

In terms of this spat, the solution is embarrassingly easy. The US says sorry. Pays for it's damage and reparations for murdering children. Fucks off back home and promises to not act unilaterally again (bleeds into the previous point).

That's all a bit simplistic.
The easiest way would be for the Republicans to remove Trump from office and install Vance. There is at least a chance that negotiations might go better if he were the president.
Can you actually see the US, especially with DJT at the helm, saying sorry and buggering off? Even if this does happen, I suspect that Iran will continue to want some control over the SOH.

rainingsnoring · 12/04/2026 11:30

Legssses · 12/04/2026 11:10

Is the US building up troops in the area? I remember when Trump moved lots of military assets to Venezuela, reading that they could only really stay there for a certain amount of time. So it reached a "poop or get off the pot" kind of moment.

Does anyone know if this is true? How long can the forces already in the ME stay there?

I've definitely seen it reported on X and quoted by reliable sources.

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2026 11:34

rainingsnoring · 12/04/2026 11:28

That's all a bit simplistic.
The easiest way would be for the Republicans to remove Trump from office and install Vance. There is at least a chance that negotiations might go better if he were the president.
Can you actually see the US, especially with DJT at the helm, saying sorry and buggering off? Even if this does happen, I suspect that Iran will continue to want some control over the SOH.

I refer you to my comment about choices.

We are here now because people chose not to act. The siren cry of whatever the US equivalent of "but Jeremy Corbyn".

But that's worldwide. There are a lot of choices being made right now. This isn't a mathematical equation that can only arrive at one solution no matter how you do it.

Stirabout · 12/04/2026 11:36

Iranian and US requirements.

Its a long paste
sorry about that
If you know them you can jump to the finish line 🏁🏁🏁

Here’s what each side is asking for:

Iran's 10-point plan
Iran crafted its 10-point proposal in response to the 15-point plan the US administration submitted to Tehran through Pakistani intermediaries. The points, as reported by Iranian state media, are:
1- Complete halt to all aggression: Iran wants a permanent end to attacks, not just a temporary truce, and crucially wants protection extended to its network of proxies, including Hezbollah and the Houthis.
2- US military withdrawal from the region: Iran is calling for the withdrawal of US combat forces from the Middle East and a prohibition on attacks from regional military bases.
3- Recognition of Iran's right to nuclear enrichment: Iran wants Washington to formally recognise its right to enrich uranium on its own territory, which has consistently been the central US and Israeli concern in negotiations.
4- Lifting of all primary US sanctions: Iran is seeking the complete removal of primary sanctions, which bar US entities from doing business with Iran and form the backbone of Washington's economic pressure campaign.
5- Removal of all secondary sanctions: This would end sanctions against foreign entities that do business with Iranian institutions.
6- End of all UN Security Council resolutions: Iran is seeking the termination of all UN Security Council resolutions against it.
7- End of all IAEA resolutions on Iran's nuclear programme: Iran is seeking the removal of International Atomic Energy Agency resolutions criticising its nuclear activity, which is fundamentally incompatible with US non-proliferation policy.
8- US non-aggression guarantee: Iran is seeking a binding pledge that the US will never attack or threaten military force against the country.
9- Recognised control over the Strait of Hormuz: Iran is seeking controlled passage through the Strait of Hormuz in co-ordination with Iranian armed forces, which would mean Iran retains its leverage over the waterway.
10- Reparations and reconstruction: Iran is seeking compensation for damage caused during the conflict, something the US does not typically provide to adversarial governments for wartime peace

Trump's 15-point plan
The full US plan has not been officially published, but its key elements have been reported through US and Israeli media. it has also been leaked through mediators.
The plan is believed to mainly include Iran committing to no nuclear weapons, handing over its highly enriched uranium, limits on Tehran's defence capabilities, an end to regional proxy groups, the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz, and an acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist.

More specifically, reported points include:
1- Complete dismantling of Iran's nuclear facilities at Natanz, Isfahan, and Fordow.
2- A permanent commitment from Iran to never develop nuclear weapons.
3- Handover of Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium to the IAEA, with Iran no longer permitted to enrich uranium domestically.
4- A commitment to allow the IAEA to monitor all elements of Iran's remaining nuclear infrastructure.
5- Limits on Tehran's ballistic missile programme, including reportedly restrictions on both the range and number of missiles Iran can possess.
6- Cessation of support to militant groups in the region including Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas.
7-The Strait of Hormuz would be declared a free maritime zone and remain permanently open.
8- An acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist – one of the most politically explosive demands given Iran's long-standing position.
9- The plan included an initial 30-day ceasefire during which the two sides would negotiate the terms of a broader deal.
10- Extensive sanctions relief to Iran in exchange for compliance with the above demands.
11- US support for electricity generation at Iran's Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant – a civilian carrot to soften the blow of dismantling military nuclear capabilities.

🏁🏁🏁

Iran had initially rejected the 15-point plan, with one official describing the demands as "largely excessive, unrealistic and unreasonable", despite US President Donald Trump claiming in late March that Tehran had agreed to "most of" the points.

So many points are completely at odds with each other

Iran for example know the SOH is their leverage in the war and any future aggressive moves against them. The US wanting it to be a free maritime zone removes that

Iran has always said they had no intention of producing nuclear weapons. The US meanwhile wants the complete dismantling of all nuclear facilities. After two wars in a year it’s highly likely anyone in Iran previously against them is now thinking twice.

I’m hoping, but not expecting, more faithful negotiations on both sides
The US seem to think, from news reports supported by posts upthread, that the US went in with what they wanted and wouldn’t move on that.

Offering a couple of US chosen concessions as part of their deal isn’t negotiating.
It’s a demand.

Meanwhile we have all seen that Israel continues their aggression and the US is moving in more military. Despite a ceasefire. Neither are acting in good faith and Iran will see both moves as continued aggression against them.

The US at the very least need to get Trump to keep his mouth shut but they can’t even do that !

logicisall · 12/04/2026 11:37

I suspect that Iran will continue to want some control over the SOH.

@RedTagAlan , using just fingers and toes, calculated elsewhere (here?) that given the SoH is only 24 miles wide at the strategic pinch point, Iran has jurisdiction re UNCLOS. I'm sure their lawyers are on top of all of that, and any split with Oman.

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2026 11:39

Stirabout · 12/04/2026 11:36

Iranian and US requirements.

Its a long paste
sorry about that
If you know them you can jump to the finish line 🏁🏁🏁

Here’s what each side is asking for:

Iran's 10-point plan
Iran crafted its 10-point proposal in response to the 15-point plan the US administration submitted to Tehran through Pakistani intermediaries. The points, as reported by Iranian state media, are:
1- Complete halt to all aggression: Iran wants a permanent end to attacks, not just a temporary truce, and crucially wants protection extended to its network of proxies, including Hezbollah and the Houthis.
2- US military withdrawal from the region: Iran is calling for the withdrawal of US combat forces from the Middle East and a prohibition on attacks from regional military bases.
3- Recognition of Iran's right to nuclear enrichment: Iran wants Washington to formally recognise its right to enrich uranium on its own territory, which has consistently been the central US and Israeli concern in negotiations.
4- Lifting of all primary US sanctions: Iran is seeking the complete removal of primary sanctions, which bar US entities from doing business with Iran and form the backbone of Washington's economic pressure campaign.
5- Removal of all secondary sanctions: This would end sanctions against foreign entities that do business with Iranian institutions.
6- End of all UN Security Council resolutions: Iran is seeking the termination of all UN Security Council resolutions against it.
7- End of all IAEA resolutions on Iran's nuclear programme: Iran is seeking the removal of International Atomic Energy Agency resolutions criticising its nuclear activity, which is fundamentally incompatible with US non-proliferation policy.
8- US non-aggression guarantee: Iran is seeking a binding pledge that the US will never attack or threaten military force against the country.
9- Recognised control over the Strait of Hormuz: Iran is seeking controlled passage through the Strait of Hormuz in co-ordination with Iranian armed forces, which would mean Iran retains its leverage over the waterway.
10- Reparations and reconstruction: Iran is seeking compensation for damage caused during the conflict, something the US does not typically provide to adversarial governments for wartime peace

Trump's 15-point plan
The full US plan has not been officially published, but its key elements have been reported through US and Israeli media. it has also been leaked through mediators.
The plan is believed to mainly include Iran committing to no nuclear weapons, handing over its highly enriched uranium, limits on Tehran's defence capabilities, an end to regional proxy groups, the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz, and an acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist.

More specifically, reported points include:
1- Complete dismantling of Iran's nuclear facilities at Natanz, Isfahan, and Fordow.
2- A permanent commitment from Iran to never develop nuclear weapons.
3- Handover of Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium to the IAEA, with Iran no longer permitted to enrich uranium domestically.
4- A commitment to allow the IAEA to monitor all elements of Iran's remaining nuclear infrastructure.
5- Limits on Tehran's ballistic missile programme, including reportedly restrictions on both the range and number of missiles Iran can possess.
6- Cessation of support to militant groups in the region including Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas.
7-The Strait of Hormuz would be declared a free maritime zone and remain permanently open.
8- An acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist – one of the most politically explosive demands given Iran's long-standing position.
9- The plan included an initial 30-day ceasefire during which the two sides would negotiate the terms of a broader deal.
10- Extensive sanctions relief to Iran in exchange for compliance with the above demands.
11- US support for electricity generation at Iran's Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant – a civilian carrot to soften the blow of dismantling military nuclear capabilities.

🏁🏁🏁

Iran had initially rejected the 15-point plan, with one official describing the demands as "largely excessive, unrealistic and unreasonable", despite US President Donald Trump claiming in late March that Tehran had agreed to "most of" the points.

So many points are completely at odds with each other

Iran for example know the SOH is their leverage in the war and any future aggressive moves against them. The US wanting it to be a free maritime zone removes that

Iran has always said they had no intention of producing nuclear weapons. The US meanwhile wants the complete dismantling of all nuclear facilities. After two wars in a year it’s highly likely anyone in Iran previously against them is now thinking twice.

I’m hoping, but not expecting, more faithful negotiations on both sides
The US seem to think, from news reports supported by posts upthread, that the US went in with what they wanted and wouldn’t move on that.

Offering a couple of US chosen concessions as part of their deal isn’t negotiating.
It’s a demand.

Meanwhile we have all seen that Israel continues their aggression and the US is moving in more military. Despite a ceasefire. Neither are acting in good faith and Iran will see both moves as continued aggression against them.

The US at the very least need to get Trump to keep his mouth shut but they can’t even do that !

There is also the fact that many many people in the US will be actively betting on Iran not losing.

And now Hegseth has fired the competent generals. that is much more likely in a "surprise the markets" manner.

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2026 11:43

logicisall · 12/04/2026 11:37

I suspect that Iran will continue to want some control over the SOH.

@RedTagAlan , using just fingers and toes, calculated elsewhere (here?) that given the SoH is only 24 miles wide at the strategic pinch point, Iran has jurisdiction re UNCLOS. I'm sure their lawyers are on top of all of that, and any split with Oman.

Iran follows "the Trump doctrine".

They can do whatever they can do. Fuck da law.

DuncinToffee · 12/04/2026 11:44

Remember what we once had in place

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/node/328996

Stirabout · 12/04/2026 11:48

DuncinToffee · 12/04/2026 11:44

Remember what we once had in place

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/node/328996

I wouldn’t be surprised if the only reason Trump tore that up was because of his hate for Obama

RedTagAlan · 12/04/2026 11:52

DuncinToffee · 12/04/2026 11:44

Remember what we once had in place

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/node/328996

Just by chance, I have Trumps notice of withdrawal from the JCPO bookmarked. 8th May 2018. Check out this gish gash gallop.

The Iran Deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the United States has ever entered into.
President Donald J. Trump

President Donald J. Trump is Ending United States Participation in an Unacceptable Iran Deal – The White House (archives.gov)

President Donald J. Trump is Ending United States Participation in an Unacceptable Iran Deal – The White House

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-ending-united-states-participation-unacceptable-iran-deal/

RedTagAlan · 12/04/2026 11:53

Stirabout · 12/04/2026 11:48

I wouldn’t be surprised if the only reason Trump tore that up was because of his hate for Obama

It was.

logicisall · 12/04/2026 12:01

Stirabout · 12/04/2026 11:48

I wouldn’t be surprised if the only reason Trump tore that up was because of his hate for Obama

I wouldn't be surprised if you're 100% right.

Stirabout · 12/04/2026 12:08

logicisall · 12/04/2026 12:01

I wouldn't be surprised if you're 100% right.

🤣🤣
have I just stated the bloody obvious
🤣

rainingsnoring · 12/04/2026 12:10

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2026 11:34

I refer you to my comment about choices.

We are here now because people chose not to act. The siren cry of whatever the US equivalent of "but Jeremy Corbyn".

But that's worldwide. There are a lot of choices being made right now. This isn't a mathematical equation that can only arrive at one solution no matter how you do it.

Of course not and yes, the people in charge have made a long series of poor choices. I am suggesting that it is rather simplistic to suddenly expect them to start making good ones.

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2026 12:13

rainingsnoring · 12/04/2026 12:10

Of course not and yes, the people in charge have made a long series of poor choices. I am suggesting that it is rather simplistic to suddenly expect them to start making good ones.

Simplistic doesn't mean not possible. Just not desireable.

To some.

RedTagAlan · 12/04/2026 12:13

Stirabout · 12/04/2026 12:08

🤣🤣
have I just stated the bloody obvious
🤣

There was all the stuff about Sheldon Addison too, and AIPAC. But mainly cos OBAMNA.

GentleSheep · 12/04/2026 12:32

Stirabout · 12/04/2026 12:08

🤣🤣
have I just stated the bloody obvious
🤣

Haha yep - anything Obama or Biden did got fed into da shredder!

logicisall · 12/04/2026 12:42

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