Trump is desperate. How can he resolve the Iran shitshow?

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He is flailing, desperate and increasingly unhinged. Weakening the USA, alienating allies and strengthening the enemies of democracy with every step.

How can he fix this?
Can he fix it at all?

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Do you accept there is a difference then ? Between Nazis and the middle east ? The root cause and that ?

Quote : "At the moment - not a chance. Not while Hamas are in charge and are acting like the terrorists they are. I wouldn't disagree with people equally saying - it can't happen while Netanyahu is charge especially considering the more extremist members of his party."

So here you are effectively blaming HAMAS for there being no 2 state solution. While also acknowledging that Netanyahu says a definitive no. Something has to give to break the deadlock. Logically it has to be Netanyahu. So long as he says no, HAMAS has a reason to fight. As soon as he, or his successor says yes, or even "lets talk about it", a large part of the reason that HAMAS has to fight vanishes. And once a two state solution is achieved, almost all of their reason is gone.

I say almost all their reasons, because there will still be factions wanting to fight over borders etc. And some totally opposed to the existence of Israel. But their numbers will be massively reduced.

Now you will say " but their number's won't be reduced". I pre-emptively counter that with " world history says their numbers will reduce".

I think really, if you agree with my logic above re 2 states, then the discussion moves to how many resistors will remain, and the risk assessment. If Netanyahu's thinking is all will remain, then I say that's flawed. But he says no anyway.

Where did I mention ordinary civilians in my post of 11.32? I didn't.

So yes, you are putting words into my mouth when I was clearly talking about the school system using propaganda and nothing to do with how ordinary civilians view their children.

I assume Palestinian civilians love their children as we all do and want the best for them. I wouldn't want my children to be fed propaganda in school, would you?

Sorry @RedTagAlan I will have to get back to you on this one.

Multiple people questioning me at the moment on different topics and I can't keep up. Taking a break now but will try to get back to you on this post (remind me if I forget).

Do you have any information on what the Israeli school system teaches?

I'm going out now - Google it.

Trump has bullied, jeered, mocked leaders around the world, he has insulted reporters, has crazy rants on his SM account.
Israel is the only ally to America. Trump has alienated other countries and destroyed relationships.
Israel clearly can’t abide by the rules, how could they assume that Lebanon wasn’t included in the ceasefire.
Just like a bold child.
We’re getting a tiny glimpse into the treatment of Palestinian people dealing with a crazy nutter daily. Living side by side with violent settlers.

I thought that was going to be the anwer.

It's not just Palestine schools feeding propoganda as a quick google will have told you.

You words:
A normal education would have been an amazing start and could have given the children of Gaza more hope of leading a productive life than just being prepared via propaganda of being another generation of fodder for Hamas in their crusade to destroy Israel, regardless to the cost to human life.

So in your opinion ordinary Palestinian children in Gaza have been educated to be fodder for Hamas, if you don't mean them who do you mean?

Well let's start with the reality as it is today. No child in Gaza has had any education for the past two years, most are living in tents, 30,000 have been killed so won't be receiving any education in the future, 10s of thousands maimed so their future prospects limited. Honestly you are moving the deck chairs around as the titanic sinks and seem completely detached from reality.

I am putting the blame for propaganda in the education system that prepares Palestinian children to hate Israel solely at the feet of the education system.

Not the children's fault, not their parent's fault.

I never mentioned ordinary civilians. My last word on this subject because if you are still incapable of understanding the point I was making, there's nothing more I can say to explain it any more clearly.

Children in Gaza return to school after years without formal education

BBC article dated January 2026

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62vmn30j3yo

My words:
No child in Gaza has had any education for the past two years

Sorry my mistake it was 2 years and 2 months without education

@RedTagAlan Please can you explain what you mean by Do you accept there is a difference then ? Between Nazis and the middle east ? The root cause and that ?

I don't understand that bit of your post so can you break it down or rephrase it?

In the next part of your post you say, "here you are effectively blaming HAMAS for there being no 2 state solution" when what I actually said was Not while Hamas are in charge... (but also) ... it can't happen while Netanyahu is charge especially considering the more extremist members of his party."

So what I am saying is that they are both barriers to a two state solution at present. Hamas and Netanyahu and his party.

A more moderate party in Israel might be prepared to discuss a two state solution in good faith. Although my personal opinion is that what happened on 7/10/23 will have set back the likelihood of that happening any time soon.

You have explained it very clearly that you blame the reason for Palestinian children to hate Israel solely at the feet of the education system.
Which is whitewashing the reality as I've explained.

You haven't done any explaining re the education system for Palestinian children as it was before the war. What did you think of it then?

Sorry to interrupt Twiglets and @Boolabus

I don't want to get involved in this one, just want to comment on something Twiglets said. Quote : "Not the children's fault, not their parent's fault."

My DD goes to a regime school and is fed propaganda. Some of her history homework is shocking. Talk about revisionism. But I say parent's have a massive part to play. My DD knows some of the history is propaganda, because we carefully tell her it is. Her and her peers laugh about much of it. But if a child goes home and the propaganda it is reinforced, the results will be obvious.

No different to any country. A US kid in a deep red state going home to deep red parents (Trump patriotic education). Or a Catholic school kid going home to devout Catholic parents. Or a Jewish kid in Isreal going home to nationalist pro settlement parents.

I Twiglets defence tho, the teachers don't really have any choice in what they teach. A UN paid teacher wont last long in Gaza ( Job wise) if they do their own curriculum. And HAMAS were the Government. Same where I am. All teachers must follow the lessons.

Butting out now. This is mumsnet. We know we play an important part. Or I hope we do. Play a part I mean.

You seem a well educated person @RedTagAlan who questions things a lot.

Not all parents are very well educated themselves. Also, some will believe the propaganda & not think to question it. Or not have been raised themselves to question things they are told by those in positions of authority.

For these reasons I can't include the parents in my criticism of the education system. Even though I agree that we as parents play an important part in educating our children beyond what they are taught in school, we can only do what we can within our own personal limitations.

I'm very aware of the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education who you used as evidence to your claim. They did a bias inaccurate piece on the Irish education system too so I don't hold what they say with much weight. The UN have responded to their report.

Maybe respond to @DuncinToffee on their question to you on the Israeli propaganda in schools.

I don't claim to know enough about the Palestinian education system to have a conclusive view on it but I am aware that Palestinians are highly educated so I would assume it is an effective academic system. I have already said (might have been the post you got deleted) that all education systems hold a bias and I am sure there is an anti Israeli bias in what they learn. Does that mean they'll join Hamas kill Israelis as a result? No I don't believe that for the majority of children, but as in every other country some children are more vulnerable to manipulation than others and do you know what safeguards children against this? Stable homes, safety, routine, not poverty death destruction trauma. So I view your claim that the education system is to blame is inaccurate and disingenuous.

www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-statement-on-joint-un-watch-institute-for-monitoring-peace-and-cultural-tolerance-in-school-education-impact-se-report/

But Twiglets1, this applies to any country, Israel included. Why are you focussing solely on Palestine schools?

I've answered lots of questions this morning and bored of being interrogated now, time someone else answered instead of just asking questions but you aren't up for that so ... end of conversation I guess.

It just sounds like you are making a lot of excuses for Israel destroying Lebanon and Gaza.

IMO

I'm focussing on Palestine schools because this whole topic of conversation started about 3 hours ago with me responding to a poster who mentioned schools in Palestine.

It's been non stop questions fired at me ever since which I'm bored of now unless anyone has something more interesting to say.

And I was talking to @RedTagAlan just now not you so with respect, you are butting into our conversation.

Also, some will believe the propaganda & not think to question it. Or not have been raised themselves to question things they are told by those in positions of authority.
It is not propaganda when they are imprisoned and governed by a system who considers them no more than vermin.
Considering this, they have an excellent education system.
Edit. Had an excellent education system.