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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump is desperate. How can he resolve the Iran shitshow?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 06/04/2026 00:32

He is flailing, desperate and increasingly unhinged. Weakening the USA, alienating allies and strengthening the enemies of democracy with every step.

How can he fix this?
Can he fix it at all?

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Stirabout · 08/04/2026 18:19

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 18:15

https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3miyfqw2z3s2q

Israel showing its displeasure with the ceasefire by raining bombs on Lebanon’s capital city

They have never understood the concept of the word

They need to stand down
Bombing Lebanon is not a separate war
The US cannot be allowed to speak for Israel if that’s the issue

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 18:21

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 18:18

Iranian state media says Iran is closing the Strait of Hormuz" because Israel is violating the peace process.

Well they are breaking it
so I’m not surprised

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:31

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 18:21

Well they are breaking it
so I’m not surprised

As far as I can tell, Israel never agreed to stop bombing Lebanon, that just seems to be something agreed between Iran and the US without consulting Israel.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/04/2026 18:41

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 13:18

Have you read Iran's 10 point peace plan?

Quite the Art of the Deal.

Remember that 5 weeks ago the Strait of Hormuz was open.

I am not sure who you think is using an escape route to save face

The Art of the Deal was a nonsense book. Trump was terrible at business. He got where he is now through bully boy tactics and Russians bailing him out.🤷‍♀️

He hasn't made any sort of deal and the US is more damaged than it was 5 weeks ago.😒

I'm so glad he backed down last night.

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Stirabout · 08/04/2026 18:46

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:31

As far as I can tell, Israel never agreed to stop bombing Lebanon, that just seems to be something agreed between Iran and the US without consulting Israel.

It was part of the deal for the ceasefire

Israel are breaking it
Just because Israel declare it’s not part of their deal doesn't mean it wasn't part of the deal brokered with the help of Pakistan
Pakistan have confirmed it

If they didn’t consult Israel at all on the entire contents of the agreement I’d be very surprised.

KatiePricesKnickers · 08/04/2026 18:49

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:31

As far as I can tell, Israel never agreed to stop bombing Lebanon, that just seems to be something agreed between Iran and the US without consulting Israel.

Yep. Israel will have to finish the job.
Hezbollah have been tunneling like Hamas, and it all needs to be dismantled.
Terrible shame for the innocent Lebanese, but their government shouldn’t have let it happen.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:50

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 18:46

It was part of the deal for the ceasefire

Israel are breaking it
Just because Israel declare it’s not part of their deal doesn't mean it wasn't part of the deal brokered with the help of Pakistan
Pakistan have confirmed it

If they didn’t consult Israel at all on the entire contents of the agreement I’d be very surprised.

But how can 2 other countries (Iran and the US) tell Israel what to do?

They can't force Israel to do anything they don't want to do. Like we in the UK couldn't tell another country what to do.

My personal feeling (just opinion) is that Israel could be persuaded by Trump to stop attacking Lebanon as part of a permanent peace deal. But they do need to be consulted and to agree to that. I don't see any evidence that they were asked if they would stop attacking Lebanon as part of the 2 week ceasefire and the answer seems to be - no, they won't.

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 18:51

KatiePricesKnickers · 08/04/2026 18:49

Yep. Israel will have to finish the job.
Hezbollah have been tunneling like Hamas, and it all needs to be dismantled.
Terrible shame for the innocent Lebanese, but their government shouldn’t have let it happen.

Shame for the innocent Lebanese who Israel are killing?

Wow

IDontHateRainbows · 08/04/2026 18:52

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:50

But how can 2 other countries (Iran and the US) tell Israel what to do?

They can't force Israel to do anything they don't want to do. Like we in the UK couldn't tell another country what to do.

My personal feeling (just opinion) is that Israel could be persuaded by Trump to stop attacking Lebanon as part of a permanent peace deal. But they do need to be consulted and to agree to that. I don't see any evidence that they were asked if they would stop attacking Lebanon as part of the 2 week ceasefire and the answer seems to be - no, they won't.

You do know how trump 'persuades' other countries don't you. .

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 18:52

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:31

As far as I can tell, Israel never agreed to stop bombing Lebanon, that just seems to be something agreed between Iran and the US without consulting Israel.

Israel deffered to the US to make the decisions

this from Reuters

'Talks were almost dead': Pakistan's last-ditch effort to secure Iran war truce
By Asif Shahzad, Alexander Cornwell and Ariba Shahid
April 8, 20266:26 PM GMT+1Updated 9 mins ago

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Summary
Iran accepted ceasefire after Pakistani mediation, U.S. assurances
Israeli officials opposed deal, deferred to U.S., sources say
Pakistan conveyed strongest anger to Iran over Saudi strike
ISLAMABAD/TEL AVIV, April 8 (Reuters) - Mediation efforts to halt the war in Iranwere hours from collapse when Pakistan mounted an overnight diplomatic push to secure a temporary ceasefire and bring Washington and Tehran into direct negotiations, four Pakistani sources told Reuters.
The effort nearly unravelled after an Iranian strike on a Saudi petrochemical facilitytriggered fury in Riyadh and threatened to derail weeks of back-channel diplomacy, the sources - with direct knowledge of the talks - said.
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With a deadline set by U.S. President Donald Trump looming, Pakistani officials mounted a last-ditch attempt to pass messages between Tehran and Washington, after Trump warned that continued fighting that night could wipe out "a whole civilization."
Pakistan's effort involved direct contact with top officials across all sides, including Trump, Vice President JD Vance and U.S. special envoy Steve Witkoff, as well as Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi and senior Revolutionary Guards commander Ahmad Vahidi, one of the sources said.
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After what a second source described as several "intense, breathless" hours during which "the talks were almost dead", Iran agreed to a temporary ceasefire without preconditions and to enter negotiations.
"In the evening, Iran was on thin ice after the attacks on KSA (Saudi Arabia) but they knew there would be no extension to the deadline," the first source said.
Pakistan's military and civilian leadership remained engaged through the night, speaking to senior U.S. and Iranian, Saudi and other officials until Trump announced the breakthrough.
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Minutes before Trump posted the announcement, he was on the phone with Pakistan's army chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir, the source said.
ASSURANCES ON ISRAEL
While Pakistan conveyed its "strongest ever anger" to Iran over the strike on Saudi Arabia, with whom Islamabad has a mutual defence pact that could drag it into the war, it simultaneously sought assurances from Washington that it would rein in Israeli strikes on Iran.
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Iranian officials said they had launched the strike on the petrochemical complex in Jubail after an Israeli attack on an Iranian petrochemical facility, the second source said. Tehran could not enter negotiations if such strikes continued, they added.
Pakistan then told Washington that Israeli actions were jeopardising its peace efforts and that Islamabad might not be able to persuade Iran to come to the table, the source said.

Only after receiving an assurance that Israel would hold back, was Pakistan able to persuade Tehran to agree to a temporary ceasefire without preconditions.
Two Israeli sources said Israel had opposed a deal with Iran, believing more could be achieved militarily, although it ultimately decided to support any decision taken by Trump.
An Israeli official said Washington had coordinated with Israel and the truce did not include any commitment to permanently end the war, compensate Iran or lift sanctions.
The official added that in any negotiations with Tehran, the United States would insist Iran hand over its nuclear material, halt uranium enrichment and remove the threat posed by its ballistic missile programme.
The Israeli prime minister's office did not respond to a request for comment.
NO ONE SLEPT
Around midnight (1900 GMT), Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif urged all parties to observe a ceasefire to allow the peace process to begin.
The request was a coordinated move to lock in the ceasefire and came after both sides had already agreed in principle, the first source said.
"We wouldn't have made the request if the answer was going to be negative," the source said.
The late-night conversations included repeated exchanges over a 15-point U.S. proposal and two core questions: what would the ceasefire look like and the parameters for the talks on Friday, a diplomat from the Middle East who has been in contact with both sides said.
Iran proposed recognition of its sovereignty over the international waterway at the centre of much of the conflict - the Strait of Hormuz - a demand likely to be unacceptable to Washington, the diplomat said.
Tehran was also asking for the right to pursue nuclear energy and strike bilateral defence deals with regional states, as mediators tried to steer talks away from issues that could cause immediate clashes, the diplomat added.
While Pakistan has announced that delegations will arrive in Islamabad on Thursday, it is unclear who will represent each country.
Two Pakistani sources said the Iranian delegation would be led by Araqchi and Parliament Speaker Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf while the U.S. would be represented by Vance.
But White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said on Wednesday that "there are discussions about in-person talks, but nothing is final until announced by the President or the White House".
A third Pakistani source said the hardest part of the process was convincing Iran to accept a ceasefire without preconditions.
"Until the last hours, Iran acted as a hardliner. The Iranians were not ready to budge without first putting their demands forward. We told them the demands can wait for the talks to happen," the source said.
By the time Trump announced the ceasefire and Sharif extended invitations to delegations from both countries, the sun was nearly rising over Islamabad.
"We have been working throughout the night," Sharif said at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday. "... if we turn it into a book it will serve as a big lesson for this nation and for generations to come, about how not to give up in a hopeless situation."
Reporting by Asif Shahzad and Saad Sayeed in Islamabad, Ariba Shahid in Karachi, Alexander Cornwell in Tel Aviv, Humeyra Pamuk in Budapest, Mubasher Bukhari in Lahore and Timour Azhari in Dubai; Writing by Saad Sayeed; Editing by Ros Russell
Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 18:53

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:50

But how can 2 other countries (Iran and the US) tell Israel what to do?

They can't force Israel to do anything they don't want to do. Like we in the UK couldn't tell another country what to do.

My personal feeling (just opinion) is that Israel could be persuaded by Trump to stop attacking Lebanon as part of a permanent peace deal. But they do need to be consulted and to agree to that. I don't see any evidence that they were asked if they would stop attacking Lebanon as part of the 2 week ceasefire and the answer seems to be - no, they won't.

According to the NYT, it was Israel who talked Trump into starting this war. They are not going to take orders/persuasion from Trump

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 18:55

Q: What was your understanding of what the president meant when he said 'this civilization is going to be eliminated'?

LEAVITT: I think it was a very very strong threat from the president that led the Iranian regime to cave to their knees and ask for a ceasefire. It was not an empty threat.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:56

IDontHateRainbows · 08/04/2026 18:52

You do know how trump 'persuades' other countries don't you. .

How will he persuade Israel do you think?

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 18:57

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:50

But how can 2 other countries (Iran and the US) tell Israel what to do?

They can't force Israel to do anything they don't want to do. Like we in the UK couldn't tell another country what to do.

My personal feeling (just opinion) is that Israel could be persuaded by Trump to stop attacking Lebanon as part of a permanent peace deal. But they do need to be consulted and to agree to that. I don't see any evidence that they were asked if they would stop attacking Lebanon as part of the 2 week ceasefire and the answer seems to be - no, they won't.

See Reuters above
Israel deferred the decision to the US

it seems Israel couldn’t even be bothered to come to the table to discuss a temporary peace
How the hell will there be a permanent one with that attitude

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:58

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 18:53

According to the NYT, it was Israel who talked Trump into starting this war. They are not going to take orders/persuasion from Trump

People don't seem to fully appreciate that Israel and the US are not the same country. The US are the much bigger, stronger country (who help to fund Israel and defend them) so if anything Trump will have more power over Netanyahu. He still can't just tell him what to do though, it has to be agreed and according to Netanyahu's office, they did not agree to stop bombing Lebanon.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 19:00

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 18:57

See Reuters above
Israel deferred the decision to the US

it seems Israel couldn’t even be bothered to come to the table to discuss a temporary peace
How the hell will there be a permanent one with that attitude

Deferred the decision to agree a ceasefire or continue the war with Iran.

Lebanon though is a different country.

RoyalImpatience · 08/04/2026 19:01

@Twiglets1 I just wanted to say I'm really appreciating your measured and sensible posts on here.

Boolabus · 08/04/2026 19:09

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:58

People don't seem to fully appreciate that Israel and the US are not the same country. The US are the much bigger, stronger country (who help to fund Israel and defend them) so if anything Trump will have more power over Netanyahu. He still can't just tell him what to do though, it has to be agreed and according to Netanyahu's office, they did not agree to stop bombing Lebanon.

Yes Israel and the US are two separate countries who have been working together in this illegal war. There has been a serious mess up in communications between both nations if one believes they agreed to something and the other says they didn't. The result no ceasefire and no opening of the Strait of Hormuz. Both looking pretty incompetent at the moment.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 19:15

KatiePricesKnickers · 08/04/2026 18:49

Yep. Israel will have to finish the job.
Hezbollah have been tunneling like Hamas, and it all needs to be dismantled.
Terrible shame for the innocent Lebanese, but their government shouldn’t have let it happen.

I can understand why Israel would feel the need to carry on trying to destroy Hezbollah. They started attacking Israel on October 8th 2023, the day after the October 7th Hamas massacre and kidnappings.

Trump's press secretary Karoline Leavitt has confirmed that Lebanon was not part of the ceasefire deal.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j6d538l6qo

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 19:15

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 18:58

People don't seem to fully appreciate that Israel and the US are not the same country. The US are the much bigger, stronger country (who help to fund Israel and defend them) so if anything Trump will have more power over Netanyahu. He still can't just tell him what to do though, it has to be agreed and according to Netanyahu's office, they did not agree to stop bombing Lebanon.

Trump is easily manipulated

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 19:16

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 19:00

Deferred the decision to agree a ceasefire or continue the war with Iran.

Lebanon though is a different country.

Israel Deferred the two week ceasefire decision to the US
which included Lebanon

Being a different country is clearly irrelevant as it was in the deal

If Israel didn’t want the deal they shouldn’t have given the US the power to agree it on their behalf

They did and immediately broke it

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 19:17

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 19:15

I can understand why Israel would feel the need to carry on trying to destroy Hezbollah. They started attacking Israel on October 8th 2023, the day after the October 7th Hamas massacre and kidnappings.

Trump's press secretary Karoline Leavitt has confirmed that Lebanon was not part of the ceasefire deal.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j6d538l6qo

Do you think they are destroying Hezbollah? And is that worth the civilian deaths and destruction?

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 19:17

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 19:15

Trump is easily manipulated

Well Reuters report is quite different to
Netanyahus office

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 19:18

Stirabout · 08/04/2026 19:16

Israel Deferred the two week ceasefire decision to the US
which included Lebanon

Being a different country is clearly irrelevant as it was in the deal

If Israel didn’t want the deal they shouldn’t have given the US the power to agree it on their behalf

They did and immediately broke it

No, see my post above about Trump's press secretary Karoline Leavitt. As reported by the BBC, she has confirmed that Lebanon was not part of the ceasefire deal.

Israel agreed that the US could agree a deal re Iran on their behalf.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 19:21

DuncinToffee · 08/04/2026 19:17

Do you think they are destroying Hezbollah? And is that worth the civilian deaths and destruction?

Israel are doing their best and hit more than 100 of what it called Hezbollah command centres and military sites today in 10 minutes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j6d538l6qo

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