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Conflict in the Middle East

Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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mids2019 · 22/03/2026 12:06

Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

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oldtiredcyclist · 01/04/2026 10:03

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 06:46

The terrorist threat was one of the main reasons Israel and the US decided to start a war with Iran.

Taken from Trump’s speech following the start of US and Israeli strikes against Iran, February 28, 2026 (full text is in the link):

Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime — a vicious group of very hard, terrible people.
Its menacing activities directly endanger the United States, our troops, our bases overseas, and our allies throughout the world.

From Lebanon to Yemen and Syria to Iraq, the regime has armed, trained and funded terrorist militias that have soaked the earth with blood and guts.
And it was Iran’s proxy Hamas that launched the monstrous October 7 attacks on Israel, slaughtering more than 1,000 innocent people, including 46 Americans, while taking 12 of our citizens hostage. It was brutal, something like the world has never seen before.

Iran is the world’s number one state sponsor of terror, and just recently killed tens of thousands of its own citizens on the street as they protested.
It has always been the policy of the United States, in particular, my administration, that this terrorist regime can never have a nuclear weapon. I’ll say it again. They can never have a nuclear weapon.

That is why, in Operation Midnight Hammer last June, we obliterated the regime’s nuclear program at Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan.

After that attack, we warned them never to resume their malicious pursuit of nuclear weapons, and we sought repeatedly to make a deal. We tried. They wanted to do it. They didn’t want to do it again. They wanted to do it. They didn’t want to do it. They didn’t know what was happening. They just wanted to practice evil.

But Iran refused (to make a deal), just as it has for decades and decades. They rejected every opportunity to renounce their nuclear ambitions, and we can’t take it anymore.

Instead, they attempted to rebuild their nuclear program and to continue developing long range missiles that can now threaten our very good friends and allies in Europe, our troops stationed overseas and could soon reach the American homeland.

Just imagine how emboldened this regime would be if they ever had and actually were armed with nuclear weapons as a means to deliver their message.

For these reasons, the United States military is undertaking a massive and ongoing operation to prevent this very wicked, radical dictatorship from threatening America and our core national security interests.

We are going to destroy their missiles and raze their missile industry to the ground. It will be totally again obliterated.

We are going to annihilate their navy. We are going to ensure that the region’s terrorist proxies can no longer destabilize the region or the world and attack our forces, and no longer use their IEDs — or roadside bombs, as they are sometimes called — to so gravely wound and kill thousands and thousands of people, including many Americans.

And we will ensure that Iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon. It’s a very simple message. They will never have a nuclear weapon.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-trumps-declaration-of-major-combat-operations-against-iran/

Seriously?
IMHO anyone quoting Trump and the raw sewage which spews out of his orifice, should be ridiculed and then ignored.

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 10:03

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 09:44

Because you suggested it was never a war goal of the US to stop terrorist attacks and this quote from Trump proves otherwise.

Fighting terrorism from Irans proxies has been mentioned consistently by Trump & his officials as a goal of the war.

So are we now allowed to reply to each other's posts? I thought you asked me not to and complained that you were feeling harrassed a week or so ago. Please make up your mind.

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 10:05

Regular reminder that a year ago the White House stated that Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated — and Suggestions Otherwise are Fake News

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 10:11

oldtiredcyclist · 01/04/2026 10:03

Seriously?
IMHO anyone quoting Trump and the raw sewage which spews out of his orifice, should be ridiculed and then ignored.

I quoted Trump for a specific reason which was to correct the misinformation given by another person that stopping terrorism was never a war goal of the US.

It was a goal of Trump and he said so plainly on more than one occasion.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 10:13

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 10:10

This is the G7 statement from 21st March.

It does not call for military offensive action.
They have never called for military intervention in Iran.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g7-foreign-ministers-statement-on-support-to-partners-in-the-middle-east

Has anyone suggested that the G7 called for military action?

If so I missed it.

The point I saw was that the G7 statement said Iran must never be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 10:14

Well I suspect this war will increase terrorist activity - which will then be used as a means to justify military intervention rather than diplomacy.

And yes, the IRGC seem more likely to increase investment in nuclear - funded by payments to use the straits.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 10:14

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 10:13

Has anyone suggested that the G7 called for military action?

If so I missed it.

The point I saw was that the G7 statement said Iran must never be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

Exactly. Everyone is relaying what they’ve said. No one has added what should happen.

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 10:16

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 10:13

Has anyone suggested that the G7 called for military action?

If so I missed it.

The point I saw was that the G7 statement said Iran must never be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

The obvious implication of those clipped statements without the qualifier that they’ve called for a negotiated solution is that the G7 supports the war.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 10:18

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 10:16

The obvious implication of those clipped statements without the qualifier that they’ve called for a negotiated solution is that the G7 supports the war.

That’s not correct. You’re jumping to that with any base for it.

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 10:20

I don’t think I am.

I think you are trying to suggest wider support for military intervention than there is/was.

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 10:20

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 10:11

I quoted Trump for a specific reason which was to correct the misinformation given by another person that stopping terrorism was never a war goal of the US.

It was a goal of Trump and he said so plainly on more than one occasion.

The point it that Trump says a lot.

It helps to know when and where Trump said what.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 10:22

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 10:20

I don’t think I am.

I think you are trying to suggest wider support for military intervention than there is/was.

I was clear below. You can agree with that G7 statement and still not back the current action, ie the military approach.

What’s the issue? There’s no ‘suggestion’ of anything else. It is as I’ve said possible to separate the two.

BelleHathor · 01/04/2026 10:31

oldtiredcyclist · 01/04/2026 10:03

Seriously?
IMHO anyone quoting Trump and the raw sewage which spews out of his orifice, should be ridiculed and then ignored.

@oldtiredcyclist Correct, there is nothing clear about what Trump says and that's deliberate. He was mentored by Roy Cohn, a notorious American lawyer and political fixer, "imparting a philosophy based on relentless aggression, media manipulation, and a disregard for conventional truth."

What Trump said on 28th February was based on lies, to sell the War to his base (or what's left of it). The most obvious being the 10's of thousands killed in Iran. It shows that Trump thinks his supporters are stupid enough to fall for it.

Fortunately most of Old MAGA have left after noticing the contempt Trump has for them and also realising that it has never been an American value to kill children and justify it.

All that remains is a group of newcomers who only recently started supporting Trump because of his support of Israel and sycophantic influencers whose identities and livelihoods depend on being MAGA.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 10:36

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 10:16

The obvious implication of those clipped statements without the qualifier that they’ve called for a negotiated solution is that the G7 supports the war.

No that is not the "obvious implication". Only you have gone off at a tangent when no one said the G7 called for military intervention.

@RedTagAlan the link you asked for re a statement given from the G7 about Iran never being allowed to develop a nuclear weapon:

We, the G7 Foreign Ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States of America, and the High Representative of the European Union, express support to our partners in the region in the face of the unjustifiable attacks by the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies.

The G7 has repeatedly stated that Iran must never obtain a nuclear weapon and that it must halt its ballistic missile program, end its destabilizing activities in the region and around the globe, and cease the appalling violence and repression against its own people.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g7-foreign-ministers-statement-on-support-to-partners-in-the-middle-east#:~:text=The%20G7%20has%20repeatedly%20stated,repression%20against%20its%20own%20people.

G7 Foreign Ministers' statement on support to partners in the Middle East

Joint Statement from the G7 Foreign Ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, the USA and the High Representative of the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g7-foreign-ministers-statement-on-support-to-partners-in-the-middle-east#:~:text=The%20G7%20has%20repeatedly%20stated,repression%20against%20its%20own%20people.

1dayatatime · 01/04/2026 10:54

BelleHathor · 01/04/2026 10:31

@oldtiredcyclist Correct, there is nothing clear about what Trump says and that's deliberate. He was mentored by Roy Cohn, a notorious American lawyer and political fixer, "imparting a philosophy based on relentless aggression, media manipulation, and a disregard for conventional truth."

What Trump said on 28th February was based on lies, to sell the War to his base (or what's left of it). The most obvious being the 10's of thousands killed in Iran. It shows that Trump thinks his supporters are stupid enough to fall for it.

Fortunately most of Old MAGA have left after noticing the contempt Trump has for them and also realising that it has never been an American value to kill children and justify it.

All that remains is a group of newcomers who only recently started supporting Trump because of his support of Israel and sycophantic influencers whose identities and livelihoods depend on being MAGA.

Well I am no fan of Trump but to paraphrase Churchill "If Iran invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil (Trump) in the House of Commons."

It seems to many posters that their hatred of Trump and Israel has blinded them to such an extent that they support the brutal Iranian regime that has killed 30,000 of their own citizens and sponsored terrorism across the Middle East and in the UK.

In response we get the usual "I can condemn two things at the same time " or "I don't support the Iranian regime- I just care about children being bombed etc"

But the reality is that Iran represents a major obstacle to peace in the Middle East and elsewhere and if Trump is willing to spend US taxpayers money on trying to remove that threat to all of us, then that is to everyone's benefit.

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 10:56

But the reality is that Iran represents a major obstacle to peace in the Middle East and elsewhere and if Trump is willing to spend US taxpayers money on trying to remove that threat to all of us, then that is to everyone's benefit.

How is that going?

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 11:11

If the war has stopped Iran from developing nuclear weapons for decades then that is at least one positive outcome.

There are other positives but also some negatives of course such as the situation with the Straight of Hormuz. Iran has said the Strait of Hormuz will reopen soon, but only to those who comply with its new laws.

Ebrahim Azizi, the head of the Iranian parliament’s national security committee, also said the passage, a key trading route for international oil exports, would not be reopened for American vessels.

The committee approved proposals to toll ships passing through the strait on Monday, according to Iran’s state media. Iran is currently charging select vessels around £1.5 million to transit the strait.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/04/01/iran-war-latest-news-trump-israel-strait-of-hormuz-nato/

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 11:16

The effect of Iran's recent decisions over the Straight of Hormuz will be that it will be seen globally as a less reliable solution.

It's likely to be a wake up call that alternatives need to be found even if that takes time to achieve - could be a good thing in the long term if alternatives are found to reduce global dependence on the Straight of Hormuz.

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 11:16

If the war has stopped Iran from developing nuclear weapons for decades then that is at least one positive outcome.

If only Trump hadn't torn up the JCPOA

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 11:18

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 11:16

If the war has stopped Iran from developing nuclear weapons for decades then that is at least one positive outcome.

If only Trump hadn't torn up the JCPOA

Agreed he shouldn't have done that but "if only" doesn't help when we can only move forwards not backwards.

Kassamungo · 01/04/2026 11:20

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 07:02

Indeed.

Iran developing the capacity for nuclear weapons is a very, very bad idea.

Don't give a shit if people feel that is "unfair" because other countries have them.

Other countries don't chant “Death to America! Death to Israel!" or fund terrorist militias around the Middle East to help them achieve these goals.

So, Iran, who doesn’t actually have nuclear weapons, is a signatory to the NPT and following the JCPOA was subjected to one of the most vigorous inspections undertaken in the history of the IAEA is not allowed to have nuclear weapons because they chant to “Death to America! Death to Isreal!” And therefore, it is ok to bomb the 92 million population…

But Isreal, who does have nuclear weapons (estimated to have around 90 warheads) but maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity, is NOT a signatory to the NPT (only 4 other nations in the world are not a signatory) and refuses to accept any inspections by the IAEA (and to place its nuclear programme under the full safeguarding system of the IAEA) and who regularly chants “Death to Arabs” is fine to have nukes?

Just want to be clear that I am understanding the double standard/hypocrisy correctly.

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 11:20

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 11:18

Agreed he shouldn't have done that but "if only" doesn't help when we can only move forwards not backwards.

True but then this war has pushed the whole delicate situation backwards.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 11:21

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 11:11

If the war has stopped Iran from developing nuclear weapons for decades then that is at least one positive outcome.

There are other positives but also some negatives of course such as the situation with the Straight of Hormuz. Iran has said the Strait of Hormuz will reopen soon, but only to those who comply with its new laws.

Ebrahim Azizi, the head of the Iranian parliament’s national security committee, also said the passage, a key trading route for international oil exports, would not be reopened for American vessels.

The committee approved proposals to toll ships passing through the strait on Monday, according to Iran’s state media. Iran is currently charging select vessels around £1.5 million to transit the strait.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/04/01/iran-war-latest-news-trump-israel-strait-of-hormuz-nato/

The answer to what to do about 60% enriched uranium can’t just be going back in time to not rip something up which is always the response.

As for the Strait I do wonder how passively everyone will be held to ransom by a limited group of violent authoritarian men, even if geography is on their side.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 11:24

Kassamungo · 01/04/2026 11:20

So, Iran, who doesn’t actually have nuclear weapons, is a signatory to the NPT and following the JCPOA was subjected to one of the most vigorous inspections undertaken in the history of the IAEA is not allowed to have nuclear weapons because they chant to “Death to America! Death to Isreal!” And therefore, it is ok to bomb the 92 million population…

But Isreal, who does have nuclear weapons (estimated to have around 90 warheads) but maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity, is NOT a signatory to the NPT (only 4 other nations in the world are not a signatory) and refuses to accept any inspections by the IAEA (and to place its nuclear programme under the full safeguarding system of the IAEA) and who regularly chants “Death to Arabs” is fine to have nukes?

Just want to be clear that I am understanding the double standard/hypocrisy correctly.

If only all they had done was chant "Death to America! Death to Israel!"

You must have forgotten 7/10/23 if you think all Iran did was a bit of chanting.

Or maybe you were unaware than Hamas are proxies of Iran?

Just want to be clear that I am understanding if you are forgetful or unaware?

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